Silly debate my son and I had

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Raido Free America

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This stuff is fun to BS about, we all know it's not zombies we have to worry about. I'm not at all sure we haven't alreday had the attack, that will bring our great nation, and way of life, down! President Lincoln once said, " All the armies of the world could not by force of arms, take a drink from the Ohio River, in a trial of 1000 years! If we fall it must come from within!" FREE, FAIR, LIGITIATE ELECTIONS that the people have faith in, are the very FOUNDATION our great nation was built on! I'm not at all sure what happens without that? All Communist Socialist, Banana Republics have SHOW, RIGGED, ELECTIONS that are a JOKE, and everyone knows it! I'm not sure who is behind this COUP, Democrats are obviously not that smart, and if we look at the VERY SMALL number of orgnisations, and foreign nations, that have the MOTIVE, MEANS AND OPPORTUNITY, TO ACTUALLY DO THIS, AND NOT ONLY GET AWAY WITH IT, BUT FOOL HALF THE POPULATION INTO THINKING THEY WON, THAT LIST ONLY HAS ONE NAME ON IT! GOOD LUCK TO US!
 

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This stuff is fun to BS about, we all know it's not zombies we have to worry about. I'm not at all sure we haven't alreday had the attack, that will bring our great nation, and way of life, down! President Lincoln once said, " All the armies of the world could not by force of arms, take a drink from the Ohio River, in a trial of 1000 years! If we fall it must come from within!" FREE, FAIR, LIGITIATE ELECTIONS that the people have faith in, are the very FOUNDATION our great nation was built on! I'm not at all sure what happens without that? All Communist Socialist, Banana Republics have SHOW, RIGGED, ELECTIONS that are a JOKE, and everyone knows it! I'm not sure who is behind this COUP, Democrats are obviously not that smart, and if we look at the VERY SMALL number of orgnisations, and foreign nations, that have the MOTIVE, MEANS AND OPPORTUNITY, TO ACTUALLY DO THIS, AND NOT ONLY GET AWAY WITH IT, BUT FOOL HALF THE POPULATION INTO THINKING THEY WON, THAT LIST ONLY HAS ONE NAME ON IT! GOOD LUCK TO US!

Dude, this is the stupid stuff section, not the politics and hot topics. I meant this thread to be a fun discussion, lets leave the politics to the right section mmkay?
 

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Lots of windows is problematic. How do you defend against break-ins? Converse argument is if you cannot see outside how do you react preemptively?

if you make it through as the 20-30% who survive societal disintegration what do you do after struggling for two years or so when your friendly invaders show up to take over? They will have a full military.

At any rate, a mall with something like a target and drug stores and maybe a sporting goods store would be a nice position to defend. May take a hundred or so defenders to hold so much material. Anything which is so big and possibly stocked will be a constant target.

in the country it will be more random gangs searching for easy marks. Close to a big city? They will come in waves and not having multiple defenders will make you more vulnerable. Everything is survivable but possibly being very remote or the ability to be mobile might be your best chances.

But I have never thought these things through.

Well, with most wal-marts the only glass is at the front entrances. If you can get ahold of some thick plywood you could cover them, otherwise just block them off where you pass the carts (I think they still have roll down gates in some of them). I had an idea of pulling some semi-trailers to the front and using a forklift to tip them over and push them up against the entrances. As far as defending them, yeah I would probably invite a few people to come in with us that I trust and have had military training. By leaving the auto center garage doors unblocked we could use that as an entrance to forage for stuff that we would need that is not sold in wal-mart (would definitely need to hit a loves or pawn shop and get several cb radios, maybe find a house that has a cb/ham radio setup and take it).

In all honesty though, this would be just a temp setup as I know we couldn't stay there for indefinitely. But hopefully it would be a secure enough place to ride out the initial downfall then find an abandoned farm or someplace out in a rural town that we could live.
 

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My preference for an urban setting has always been as few windows and doors as possible and a flat roof with good cover and at least 20' vertical wall to scale to get on said roof. A little time with a prybar to remove any exterior access ladders. I dont want to be in the supply source, but close enough I can monitor it from the roof or any elevated vantage point. That would put me close enough to make a big run at first sign the SHTF to grab enough supplies for a bit and then I could monitor it from a safe distance that is not a primary target for any additional runs or planning.

Ideally, my wife would give in to the merits of an ICF house with hurricane shutters built in. My design for a house has always started with those two items, and additional layer of storm shelter just off the kitchen towards the center of the house that would also serve as a butlers panty/food storage. I may have to give in and use that method for my work shop though. Then the secondary storm shelter inside will have a gun vault door and room for workbenches inside.
 

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OKC used to have a Federal Reserve Bank years ago, 30-ish years ago, we had a neighbor who worked there. Place was like a Fort Knox. IIRC it was closed some years later. There is still a Federal Reserve Bank in OKC but I think, IIRC, it is not like what was here before. I *think* but I'm not sure, during the age of writing checks, gazallions every day, they were run through there, I think. Paper checks were flown everynight by every young pilot wanting to build flying time hours.

Anyway, the place was literally a giant bank vault and was as safe as could be.

Or, alternatively, you could go to the State Capitol goverment buildings, cuz as we all know, ain't no brains working at the Oklahoma State Capitol complex and why would a zombie go there, it'd starve.
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The old Federal Reserve Bank is now APMEX downtown. Still sealed up like Ft. Knox since they have more gold and precious metals there than in Ft. Knox.
 

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The old Federal Reserve Bank is now APMEX downtown. Still sealed up like Ft. Knox since they have more gold and precious metals there than in Ft. Knox.
That building was built in the teens and twenties with mules, wagons, and steam power. One of the vaults that was installed by Diebold is so big the floor drops away to make clearance for the door. It is also so tight a tolerance that a staple was caught between the door and the frame and left a permanent impression in the steel.
 

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My preference for an urban setting has always been as few windows and doors as possible and a flat roof with good cover and at least 20' vertical wall to scale to get on said roof. A little time with a prybar to remove any exterior access ladders. I dont want to be in the supply source, but close enough I can monitor it from the roof or any elevated vantage point. That would put me close enough to make a big run at first sign the SHTF to grab enough supplies for a bit and then I could monitor it from a safe distance that is not a primary target for any additional runs or planning.

Ideally, my wife would give in to the merits of an ICF house with hurricane shutters built in. My design for a house has always started with those two items, and additional layer of storm shelter just off the kitchen towards the center of the house that would also serve as a butlers panty/food storage. I may have to give in and use that method for my work shop though. Then the secondary storm shelter inside will have a gun vault door and room for workbenches inside.
ICF meaning insulating concrete forms? Always wanted a house with those.
 

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