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<blockquote data-quote="swampratt" data-source="post: 3657680" data-attributes="member: 15054"><p>I reload 30-06 and components are hard to come by.</p><p>I have plenty for me but to make some for another person and deplete my stock nope.</p><p></p><p>But i would be more than happy to share a few loads at a range with a person if they wanted to try them out.</p><p>I have done that many times for .308.</p><p>Now many times a load will work excellent at 100 yards and then fall apart at 200.</p><p></p><p>If you plan on shooting that 30-06 at 200 or say 500 yards you need to shoot that load at that distance.</p><p></p><p>I have had my .308 pring groups in the .2 and .3 area for a 178 AMax load every time I went out it printed tight groups.</p><p>Temps did not matter on that load and it bucked the wind.</p><p></p><p>I shot it at a deer nearly 200 yards out and missed the mark by nearly 12"</p><p>I decided to shoot it for groups at 200 yards and I was lucky to get 12" groups from that load.</p><p>Go back to 100 yard shooting that same day and it was back to tiny groups.</p><p></p><p>Odd things happen.</p><p></p><p>Most of my good at long distance loads shoot right around 3/4" groups at 100 yards (not impressive).. but at 200 they still group 3/4"</p><p>That is what I want.</p><p>That takes up a lot of time and components.</p><p></p><p>Brass prep is critical if you want tight groups.</p><p>Takes me about 4-5 minutes to prep each piece of brass and that includes annealing each time.</p><p>Measuring the brass takes up more time.</p><p></p><p>52.5 gr IMR4064 in an annealed R-P case with .002" or .003" neck tension NO CRIMP</p><p>CCI 200 primer and a 150 gr flat base bullet has got the job done in my 30-06's many for years.</p><p>That should put you right around 3000 fps depending on the gun used.</p><p></p><p>If you go .002" neck tension they all need to be .002" not .0015" and not .0025" as the groups will open up.</p><p></p><p>All necks are brushed with 0000 steel wool and swabbed out before bullet seating.</p><p>Or use a nylon bore brush.</p><p>Yes it makes a difference.</p><p></p><p>I wipe all wax off the bullets before seating and all powder charges are weighed on a beam scale.</p><p>Although the last part is not a need to if you get into an accuracy node you can volume measure the powder.</p><p></p><p></p><p>With all that said you can see it will take maybe 8-10 minutes to build 1 piece of ammo.</p><p>What is someones time worth to hand load ammo not even mentioning the cost of components and time/gas money spent trying to find those components.</p><p></p><p>Start with that load I mentioned above.</p><p>That one has held under 5" at 500 yards. Mossberg 100ATR factory pencil barrel. and Centerpoint scope.</p><p>Nothing fancy.</p><p>Works excellent in my friends Pump 30-06 and a 1903A3</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="swampratt, post: 3657680, member: 15054"] I reload 30-06 and components are hard to come by. I have plenty for me but to make some for another person and deplete my stock nope. But i would be more than happy to share a few loads at a range with a person if they wanted to try them out. I have done that many times for .308. Now many times a load will work excellent at 100 yards and then fall apart at 200. If you plan on shooting that 30-06 at 200 or say 500 yards you need to shoot that load at that distance. I have had my .308 pring groups in the .2 and .3 area for a 178 AMax load every time I went out it printed tight groups. Temps did not matter on that load and it bucked the wind. I shot it at a deer nearly 200 yards out and missed the mark by nearly 12" I decided to shoot it for groups at 200 yards and I was lucky to get 12" groups from that load. Go back to 100 yard shooting that same day and it was back to tiny groups. Odd things happen. Most of my good at long distance loads shoot right around 3/4" groups at 100 yards (not impressive).. but at 200 they still group 3/4" That is what I want. That takes up a lot of time and components. Brass prep is critical if you want tight groups. Takes me about 4-5 minutes to prep each piece of brass and that includes annealing each time. Measuring the brass takes up more time. 52.5 gr IMR4064 in an annealed R-P case with .002" or .003" neck tension NO CRIMP CCI 200 primer and a 150 gr flat base bullet has got the job done in my 30-06's many for years. That should put you right around 3000 fps depending on the gun used. If you go .002" neck tension they all need to be .002" not .0015" and not .0025" as the groups will open up. All necks are brushed with 0000 steel wool and swabbed out before bullet seating. Or use a nylon bore brush. Yes it makes a difference. I wipe all wax off the bullets before seating and all powder charges are weighed on a beam scale. Although the last part is not a need to if you get into an accuracy node you can volume measure the powder. With all that said you can see it will take maybe 8-10 minutes to build 1 piece of ammo. What is someones time worth to hand load ammo not even mentioning the cost of components and time/gas money spent trying to find those components. Start with that load I mentioned above. That one has held under 5" at 500 yards. Mossberg 100ATR factory pencil barrel. and Centerpoint scope. Nothing fancy. Works excellent in my friends Pump 30-06 and a 1903A3 [/QUOTE]
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