So glad I didn't pick OU for my higher education.

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Real question --- did you go to the links or read the post? Or are you just selectively choosing information you want to look at. The link you sent shows academic costs. Tuition and mandatory fees --- which are higher than your initial quote to begin with by 2k a semester. That page fails to mention a complete cost estimate like I cited. Unless people are homeless, not eating food, etc, there will be additional costs as noted in the link I sent and the information I copied and pasted.

So which is it --- are you not reading or you just think that people aren't going to have to pay to live while they are in school or what am I missing? Because your argument is like saying that the total cost of a vehicle is the sticker like you'll never have to pay for gas, oil, maintenance, tolls, registration, plates, etc.
 

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Are you sure about that? Like, really sure? I mean, their own websites here show OU's estimated costs at 31k per year. Here's the breakdown for OU and OSU and the links there should you want to look. OSU was a little cheaper at 28k estimated. As expected TU (also linked) was the highest cost at 56K but to save post space I'll not copy/paste that.

https://www.ou.edu/admissions/affordability/costhttps://go.okstate.edu/scholarships...e/undergraduate-cost/in-state-cost/index.htmlhttps://utulsa.edu/financial-aid/tuition-costs/

OU:​


Average Direct Cost EstimateCost
Tuition & Fees*$12,788
Housing & Food$11,700
Books & Supplies$800
Total Average Direct Cost Estimate for Residents$25,288

Average Indirect Cost EstimateCost
Personal & Miscellaneous$4,238
Transportation$2,324
Loan Fees$71
Total Average Indirect Cost Estimate for Residents$6,633

Total Average Cost Estimates for Residents (Direct & Indirect)$31,545

OSU:​

Yearly estimates​


In-state students​



Direct Expenses
Tuition & fees (30 hour estimate)$13,280
Housing & meals (on- or off-campus)$9,340
Books & supplies$1,140
Total$23,760


Additional Personal Expenses
Transportation$1,880
Personal & miscellaneous$2,860
Total$4,740

TOTAL: $28,500​




Only you said when you went to school........when was that for reference and where did you go? Also kids don't make $5-6 an hour now, more like double/triple that at least. Kids can support themselves easily by waiting tables or something of the like. Given all the assistance programs out there as well, I agree with him. A significant amount of debt is easy to circumvent, if you have a decent work ethic that is.
 

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Real question --- did you go to the links or read the post? Or are you just selectively choosing information you want to look at. The link you sent shows academic costs. Tuition and mandatory fees --- which are higher than your initial quote to begin with by 2k a semester. That page fails to mention a complete cost estimate like I cited. Unless people are homeless, not eating food, etc, there will be additional costs as noted in the link I sent and the information I copied and pasted.

So which is it --- are you not reading or you just think that people aren't going to have to pay to live while they are in school or what am I missing? Because your argument is like saying that the total cost of a vehicle is the sticker like you'll never have to pay for gas, oil, maintenance, tolls, registration, plates, etc.
No, you're right, I misread the page, but $6,600/semester is still a far cry from $32K/year, and it's about half of the "22500 for JUST the classes" you quoted. I'm not counting housing, food, entertainment, and so forth because those are costs of living, not costs of college.
 

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Only you said when you went to school........when was that for reference and where did you go? Also kids don't make $5-6 an hour now, more like double/triple that at least. Kids can support themselves easily by waiting tables or something of the like. Given all the assistance programs out there as well, I agree with him. A significant amount of debt is easy to circumvent, if you have a decent work ethic that is.
"A significant amount" being able to be circumvented still results in debt at the end of the day. Depending on the college/uni, and a myriad of other factors, it can be cheap or very expensive. I had scholarships/grants/work study and worked a second job and I was still in a pretty pile of debt at the end of it. Interestingly, I was making over, but relatively close to, minimum of the time period IIRC. Somewhere in the neighborhood of $8 something when minimum was 6 something.
No, you're right, I misread the page, but $6,600/semester is still a far cry from $32K/year, and it's about half of the "22500 for JUST the classes" you quoted. I'm not counting housing, food, entertainment, and so forth because those are costs of living, not costs of college.
Cost of living 100% factors in. Let's say I'm from Tulsa and want to go to OU. What...am I going to be in my car? I'll have to have a place, Some colleges/universities in fact require people to stay in their housing for a time period. TU does this for instance although I don't know the details anymore. The costs of being there, versus at home,

As far as the 6k/22k debate --- it's closer than you think. IIRC my room/board were cheaper in comparison. That's another reason why it's better to look at it as the total estimated cost per year in many cases.
 

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Leftists are disgusting. After my USN enlistment, my 5 years at OU were some of the most enlightening and enjoyable years of my life.

I enjoyed stirring the pot in class with my conservative ideals. I also had some great conservative professors. I had great conservative college friends.

My oldest, home schooled son had fun the last two years doing the same with the liberals in the same college. He also had some great conservative professsors. He has great conservative college freinds. He leaves for Army boot camp in 3 weeks to get his patriotism itch scratched.

The sky is not falling, nothing much has changed the last 30 years except the internet and social media to keep both sides enraged all the time.
 

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Leftists are disgusting. After my USN enlistment, my 5 years at OU were some of the most enlightening and enjoyable years of my life.

I enjoyed stirring the pot in class with my conservative ideals. I also had some great conservative professors. I had great conservative college friends.

My oldest, home schooled son had fun the last two years doing the same with the liberals in the same college. He also had some great conservative professsors. He has great conservative college freinds. He leaves for Army boot camp in 3 weeks to get his patriotism itch scratched.

The sky is not falling, nothing much has changed the last 30 years except the internet and social media to keep both sides enraged all the time.
Anything to sell ad space.... as usual money is at the root.....
 

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Cost of living 100% factors in. Let's say I'm from Tulsa and want to go to OU. What...am I going to be in my car? I'll have to have a place, Some colleges/universities in fact require people to stay in their housing for a time period. TU does this for instance although I don't know the details anymore. The costs of being there, versus at home,

As far as the 6k/22k debate --- it's closer than you think. IIRC my room/board were cheaper in comparison. That's another reason why it's better to look at it as the total estimated cost per year in many cases.
The cost of living is the cost of living--it's not the cost of education. Unless you're saying that you don't have to pay rent or eat if you don't go to college, the cost of living applies to everyone, so you can't really lump that into the cost of college.

I misread your numbers; I was actually thinking you meant $22.5K/year, not per semester, which actually makes the comparison worse--you can get through almost two years of college at OU for the price of one semester's tuition at your college. The cost of living index in Norman isn't that much different than those in Tulsa, Stillwater, or Purcell, so the difference in cost of living won't even come close to making up the difference. You can pay a hell of a lot of rent for the $30K/year difference between your tuition and OU's tuition and fees.

The point isn't that the cost of college is a bargain or that it's just evil greedy socialists soaking up the money of the working class, it is simply that coming out of it with crippling debt is the result of choices. It is possible to go through college with minimal (or even no) debt, but it takes good choices (and hard work) to get there. And making good choices (like majoring in something that has value in the marketplace) can make even a super-expensive degree an outstanding investment in yourself.
 

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"A significant amount" being able to be circumvented still results in debt at the end of the day. Depending on the college/uni, and a myriad of other factors, it can be cheap or very expensive. I had scholarships/grants/work study and worked a second job and I was still in a pretty pile of debt at the end of it. Interestingly, I was making over, but relatively close to, minimum of the time period IIRC. Somewhere in the neighborhood of $8 something when minimum was 6 something.

Semantics aside, the point is that it's pretty easy to circumvent at LEAST a significant amount of debt, or any debt at all. Not sure what you were doing, but if you had scholarships, grants, etc and two jobs, you shouldn't have been in considerable debt. Rather, if you apply that to OU and OSU per the earlier examples, someone should be relatively debt free with all that going on.
 
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Research UniversitiesTuitionTotal Per Credit Hour
University of Oklahoma$159.60$302.08
OU Health Science Center$159.60$251.33
Oklahoma State University$178.55$300.60
 

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