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Spring-less isometric operated AA2 bumpfire stock for Ruger 10/22. Pics and video.
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<blockquote data-quote="Bill Akins" data-source="post: 1705210" data-attributes="member: 15215"><p>Thanks OkieTac. Glad you liked it and thanks for being so nice to thank me for stopping by and for my posting about it. Just so everyone will know, Fostech Outdoors bought my patent from me and they now own my patent, and they market that product and set that price.</p><p></p><p>Another thing many people don't realize, is that the Kidds trigger pack that enables consistent operation costs Fostech Outdoors $300.00 for each one. That's what Fostech Outdoors has to pay for it and that cost for the included Kidd's trigger pack is included in the total cost of the stock. So the actual stock's price is actually about half the price people think it is. $300.00 of the price is for the Kidd's trigger pack.</p><p>Fostech is only getting about $350.00 per stock. Deduct manufacturing, marketing and whatever other costs are included in bringing their product to market, and you can readily see that their profit margin is based on a pricing cost of about $350.00 since they have to pay $300.00 for the Kidd's trigger pack themselves. They don't make a profit on that $300.00 Kidd's trigger pack, but that cost is passed on to the customer.</p><p></p><p>Fostech Outdoors will not sell the stock without the Kidd's trigger pack because they don't want customer complaints caused by factory Ruger trigger packs causing inconsistent operation. With a well worn in 10/22 trigger pack it might</p><p>work fine, or even with other manufacturer's trigger packs, or with a Volquartsen hammer. But none of that is assured and with each individual customer's trigger, with some being slightly different from others with factory Ruger models or other aftermarket trigger packs, through experimentation Fostech has determined that the Kidd's trigger pack offers consistent operation that has not been found to be their experience with other triggers. </p><p></p><p>Fostech Outdoors may likely work with me to use some of my other designs in the future. But I sold them my patent for bumpfire stocks and what they market under that patent or what prices they sell products for is up to them. I am simply posting about their product because I like it, I invented it, and they were nice enough to outright buy my patent from me. But it is Fostech Outdoor's product and patent now. </p><p></p><p>I would however like to point out that NFA type collectors and users have only one option for a full auto 10/22 (unless they are an SOT and can make their own full auto 10/22). And that is for them to buy a pre-86 Norrell trigger pack that costs over $8000.00 just for the regulated full auto trigger pack. The Fostech Outdoors AA2 bumpfire stock targets the average 10/22 owner because that <strong>average</strong> 10/22 owner will not pay over $8000.00 for a regulated full auto Norrell trigger pack. But many average 10/22 owners will be happy to pay Fostech's tiny fraction of that price for a semi-auto, unregulated, bumpfire stock that simulates full auto and fires at about the same cyclic rate of fire as the Norrell trigger pack does. </p><p></p><p>It may not be a product for everyone, but considering the low cost compared to an $8000.00 full auto trigger pack, hopefully people will be grateful, not only to myself for originally inventing it, but for Fostech Outdoors (who now owns the patent) marketing something to 10/22 owners that is affordable for the average Ruger 10/22 owner.</p><p></p><p></p><p>.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bill Akins, post: 1705210, member: 15215"] Thanks OkieTac. Glad you liked it and thanks for being so nice to thank me for stopping by and for my posting about it. Just so everyone will know, Fostech Outdoors bought my patent from me and they now own my patent, and they market that product and set that price. Another thing many people don't realize, is that the Kidds trigger pack that enables consistent operation costs Fostech Outdoors $300.00 for each one. That's what Fostech Outdoors has to pay for it and that cost for the included Kidd's trigger pack is included in the total cost of the stock. So the actual stock's price is actually about half the price people think it is. $300.00 of the price is for the Kidd's trigger pack. Fostech is only getting about $350.00 per stock. Deduct manufacturing, marketing and whatever other costs are included in bringing their product to market, and you can readily see that their profit margin is based on a pricing cost of about $350.00 since they have to pay $300.00 for the Kidd's trigger pack themselves. They don't make a profit on that $300.00 Kidd's trigger pack, but that cost is passed on to the customer. Fostech Outdoors will not sell the stock without the Kidd's trigger pack because they don't want customer complaints caused by factory Ruger trigger packs causing inconsistent operation. With a well worn in 10/22 trigger pack it might work fine, or even with other manufacturer's trigger packs, or with a Volquartsen hammer. But none of that is assured and with each individual customer's trigger, with some being slightly different from others with factory Ruger models or other aftermarket trigger packs, through experimentation Fostech has determined that the Kidd's trigger pack offers consistent operation that has not been found to be their experience with other triggers. Fostech Outdoors may likely work with me to use some of my other designs in the future. But I sold them my patent for bumpfire stocks and what they market under that patent or what prices they sell products for is up to them. I am simply posting about their product because I like it, I invented it, and they were nice enough to outright buy my patent from me. But it is Fostech Outdoor's product and patent now. I would however like to point out that NFA type collectors and users have only one option for a full auto 10/22 (unless they are an SOT and can make their own full auto 10/22). And that is for them to buy a pre-86 Norrell trigger pack that costs over $8000.00 just for the regulated full auto trigger pack. The Fostech Outdoors AA2 bumpfire stock targets the average 10/22 owner because that [B]average[/B] 10/22 owner will not pay over $8000.00 for a regulated full auto Norrell trigger pack. But many average 10/22 owners will be happy to pay Fostech's tiny fraction of that price for a semi-auto, unregulated, bumpfire stock that simulates full auto and fires at about the same cyclic rate of fire as the Norrell trigger pack does. It may not be a product for everyone, but considering the low cost compared to an $8000.00 full auto trigger pack, hopefully people will be grateful, not only to myself for originally inventing it, but for Fostech Outdoors (who now owns the patent) marketing something to 10/22 owners that is affordable for the average Ruger 10/22 owner. . [/QUOTE]
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