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<blockquote data-quote="Glocktogo" data-source="post: 3084112" data-attributes="member: 1132"><p>Thread derail ahead, but this touches on something I've spent considerable time studying, going back 30 years or more. So here goes...</p><p></p><p>Hispanic isn't a race, it's an ethnicity. Not all Hispanics are white and not all whites are Hispanic. Hispanics may be white, black, or any other combination of racial mixing. Hispanic just means descending from Spain, just as Latino means having descended from Latin America.</p><p></p><p>Race is rapidly becoming irrelevant from a genetic standpoint. Only in very isolated tribal regions will you find much in the way of racial purity. Even then, human DNA mapping will eventually redraw racial lineages and erase many perceived boundaries. There are already studies suggesting that Mesoamericans may have descended from Polynesia, American Indians descend from Eurasian lineage, Aboriginals from Africa and so on.</p><p></p><p>Iranians may have more in common genetically with Germans than Arabians, yet the western civilizations tend to lump all middle eastern tribes together despite the fact that they despise each other on a near genetic level. As race becomes less and less well defined, people seem to be searching for something to anchor their existence to. Many fall back on ethnicity, despite the likelihood that they have almost nothing in common with the origins of their ethnic roots in their day to day lives.</p><p></p><p>How many Hispanics in America have ever even been to Spain? If you know someone who identifies as Hispanic who wouldn't be offended, ask them if they could tell the difference between a Criollo, Peninsular, Mestizo or Cholo? Don't be surprised if they can only identify one in four, and even then probably not be able to explain why from an ethnic standpoint. If you can delve further, ask them to explain why Basques and Catalonians are in serious conflict with Castillian Spain.</p><p></p><p>The reasons many Hispanics identify as "white" probably has more to do with Celtic and Roman influence than anything else, but most would be hard pressed to make the connections. Many people just feel a need to belong to a group, even if their actual identity within the group is tenuous or has nothing to do with the basis of the group other than some long lost connection over a millennia ago. In many cases though, strong cultural, ethnic or racial identity causes people to be less inclusive of others they perceive as "different".</p><p></p><p>One thing is for certain though, race blends far more readily than culture. The conflicts we have today are far more cultural than racial or ethnic. JMO, YMMV</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah, I wouldn't stake my position on what the .gov says about this, or much of anything else either. <img src="/images/smilies/frown.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" data-shortname=":(" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Glocktogo, post: 3084112, member: 1132"] Thread derail ahead, but this touches on something I've spent considerable time studying, going back 30 years or more. So here goes... Hispanic isn't a race, it's an ethnicity. Not all Hispanics are white and not all whites are Hispanic. Hispanics may be white, black, or any other combination of racial mixing. Hispanic just means descending from Spain, just as Latino means having descended from Latin America. Race is rapidly becoming irrelevant from a genetic standpoint. Only in very isolated tribal regions will you find much in the way of racial purity. Even then, human DNA mapping will eventually redraw racial lineages and erase many perceived boundaries. There are already studies suggesting that Mesoamericans may have descended from Polynesia, American Indians descend from Eurasian lineage, Aboriginals from Africa and so on. Iranians may have more in common genetically with Germans than Arabians, yet the western civilizations tend to lump all middle eastern tribes together despite the fact that they despise each other on a near genetic level. As race becomes less and less well defined, people seem to be searching for something to anchor their existence to. Many fall back on ethnicity, despite the likelihood that they have almost nothing in common with the origins of their ethnic roots in their day to day lives. How many Hispanics in America have ever even been to Spain? If you know someone who identifies as Hispanic who wouldn't be offended, ask them if they could tell the difference between a Criollo, Peninsular, Mestizo or Cholo? Don't be surprised if they can only identify one in four, and even then probably not be able to explain why from an ethnic standpoint. If you can delve further, ask them to explain why Basques and Catalonians are in serious conflict with Castillian Spain. The reasons many Hispanics identify as "white" probably has more to do with Celtic and Roman influence than anything else, but most would be hard pressed to make the connections. Many people just feel a need to belong to a group, even if their actual identity within the group is tenuous or has nothing to do with the basis of the group other than some long lost connection over a millennia ago. In many cases though, strong cultural, ethnic or racial identity causes people to be less inclusive of others they perceive as "different". One thing is for certain though, race blends far more readily than culture. The conflicts we have today are far more cultural than racial or ethnic. JMO, YMMV Yeah, I wouldn't stake my position on what the .gov says about this, or much of anything else either. :( [/QUOTE]
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