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<blockquote data-quote="shooterdave" data-source="post: 2025512" data-attributes="member: 3128"><p>What comes next in the sustainability conversation is scary. By that, I mean that many, including myself, don't want to talk much about it for fear of reprisal from .gov and also fear of giving others too much information. My family and I have spent the better part of 6 years now developing our little slice of heaven away from others. We are more than 30 miles in any direction from any population center of more than about 5k. We stock for an extended time frame as a way of life cause it's 10 minutes to go for even milk or gas. Now I'm not saying we are prepared for TEOTWAWKI, but I don't think anyone really is. Sustainability has been a topic from day 1. Not only the basics like seeds and grain, but things like how to tap the nat. Gas line flowing from the well 1/2 miles from the house to the old farmall tractor that has not electronics on board. There is a lot of valueable things available for the taking, too, in a collapse of society scenario. Anyone else notice all those fancy solar panels the highway dept is now using for signage and sensors? Don't think they will need them after the fact, but I might... I reckon the 50 acres at we don't allow the cows to graze will be useful to feed the critters until we set up rotation, too. Water is going to be a big issue, but a dug well now could be the difference in life and death later. That, or the series of artesian springs that feed one of my ponds.</p><p></p><p>I'm not throwing. These things out to rub noses, I'm trying to spark some thought in your setup without giving all of mine away. We are generous neighbors now, but I'm not sure how well that holds up if you come visiting with anything but the best of intentions. As a firearms instructor, I have a pretty good understanding of the requirements needed to protect/defend a moderate sized spread. I believe that our group (read family) is fairly well prepared to use these skills and corresponding firearms to do just that. The youngest in now old enough to make good decisions and be useful in not only shooting, but also observation and recon. The oldest is still viable enough (and plenty willing) to defend his position vigorously. The girls are capable and willing enough.</p><p></p><p>I encourage everyone serious to take stock and ask yourselves serious questions..</p><p></p><p>Can you live with what you have for a year, six month, a month?</p><p></p><p>Do you have the supplies and equipment to be self sufficient at the time your edibles run out?</p><p></p><p>Are you set up for sanitation and water purification when the grid goes down? Remember that your sewers and water lines aren't going to work after a short time with no power unless you have designed them for just that. Septics clog up with solid waste and no bio organisms. Is your family prepared to poop in a hole in the ground in January?</p><p></p><p>Is your firearms/ammo reserve set up in a ratio that will be sufficient for years, if not decades? Do you have ample supplies of solvents and lubricants? What about spare parts like firing pins and magazine springs?</p><p></p><p>Do you have enough clothing or material to make clothing to keep you sheltered and not naked after a year or so? What about footwear? Do you have several pairs for each person? How about the kids? Have you taken into account that there sizes will change frequently as they grow up?</p><p></p><p>Is your home/cabin in good enough repair that you don't have to worry about it falling in in a year or two? Do you have hand tools to repair the eventual problems that arise? What about supplies like a few squares of shingles to patch a leaky roof after a wind storm?</p><p></p><p>Have you put any thought into vehicles or animal husbandry? (insert joke here)</p><p></p><p></p><p>These are just a few of the things that need to be addressed. Do you even have a hand saw capable of cutting firewood, or a maul to split it? How about a fireplace to burn it in? Any thoughts on commodities like soap and toilet paper? I personally don't want to wipe my a$$ with leaves if I can help it. These thoughts are just the tip of the iceberg.. Time to start you own lists.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="shooterdave, post: 2025512, member: 3128"] What comes next in the sustainability conversation is scary. By that, I mean that many, including myself, don't want to talk much about it for fear of reprisal from .gov and also fear of giving others too much information. My family and I have spent the better part of 6 years now developing our little slice of heaven away from others. We are more than 30 miles in any direction from any population center of more than about 5k. We stock for an extended time frame as a way of life cause it's 10 minutes to go for even milk or gas. Now I'm not saying we are prepared for TEOTWAWKI, but I don't think anyone really is. Sustainability has been a topic from day 1. Not only the basics like seeds and grain, but things like how to tap the nat. Gas line flowing from the well 1/2 miles from the house to the old farmall tractor that has not electronics on board. There is a lot of valueable things available for the taking, too, in a collapse of society scenario. Anyone else notice all those fancy solar panels the highway dept is now using for signage and sensors? Don't think they will need them after the fact, but I might... I reckon the 50 acres at we don't allow the cows to graze will be useful to feed the critters until we set up rotation, too. Water is going to be a big issue, but a dug well now could be the difference in life and death later. That, or the series of artesian springs that feed one of my ponds. I'm not throwing. These things out to rub noses, I'm trying to spark some thought in your setup without giving all of mine away. We are generous neighbors now, but I'm not sure how well that holds up if you come visiting with anything but the best of intentions. As a firearms instructor, I have a pretty good understanding of the requirements needed to protect/defend a moderate sized spread. I believe that our group (read family) is fairly well prepared to use these skills and corresponding firearms to do just that. The youngest in now old enough to make good decisions and be useful in not only shooting, but also observation and recon. The oldest is still viable enough (and plenty willing) to defend his position vigorously. The girls are capable and willing enough. I encourage everyone serious to take stock and ask yourselves serious questions.. Can you live with what you have for a year, six month, a month? Do you have the supplies and equipment to be self sufficient at the time your edibles run out? Are you set up for sanitation and water purification when the grid goes down? Remember that your sewers and water lines aren't going to work after a short time with no power unless you have designed them for just that. Septics clog up with solid waste and no bio organisms. Is your family prepared to poop in a hole in the ground in January? Is your firearms/ammo reserve set up in a ratio that will be sufficient for years, if not decades? Do you have ample supplies of solvents and lubricants? What about spare parts like firing pins and magazine springs? Do you have enough clothing or material to make clothing to keep you sheltered and not naked after a year or so? What about footwear? Do you have several pairs for each person? How about the kids? Have you taken into account that there sizes will change frequently as they grow up? Is your home/cabin in good enough repair that you don't have to worry about it falling in in a year or two? Do you have hand tools to repair the eventual problems that arise? What about supplies like a few squares of shingles to patch a leaky roof after a wind storm? Have you put any thought into vehicles or animal husbandry? (insert joke here) These are just a few of the things that need to be addressed. Do you even have a hand saw capable of cutting firewood, or a maul to split it? How about a fireplace to burn it in? Any thoughts on commodities like soap and toilet paper? I personally don't want to wipe my a$$ with leaves if I can help it. These thoughts are just the tip of the iceberg.. Time to start you own lists. [/QUOTE]
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