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<blockquote data-quote="Pokinfun" data-source="post: 3092839" data-attributes="member: 28113"><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: rgb(141, 141, 141)">1) How many teachers are there in Oklahoma? <strong>41,775</strong></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: rgb(141, 141, 141)">2) Of the xxx teachers, which group will be receiving a "raise"? (All, certified, alternative certified, temporary, substitute)<strong>certified, alternative certified, and <span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: rgb(141, 141, 141)"><p style="text-align: left">I am pretty sure</p></p> <p style="text-align: left"></span></span></span> <span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: rgb(141, 141, 141)"><p style="text-align: left">a raise for s</p></p> <p style="text-align: left"></span></span></span>upport personnel will be included.</strong></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: rgb(141, 141, 141)">3) If the district already pays above the base teacher rate, will this group also receive the dictated raise or the difference or TBD? <strong>The raise will be on the base salary, not the formula, that means everyone. There are 100 districts, the largest districts, in the state pay above state minimum, part of the problem now is that the last pay raise was on the formula, which means the teachers in those 100 districts did not get the raise. If you did not give the raise on the base, we would be right back here next year. My wife and I did not get the last raise.</strong></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: rgb(141, 141, 141)">4) Are there any exemptions for any teachers who might get a raise, but will or should not? <strong>all, I am not sure how you would decide exemptions. They need to do away with the National Board Certification, it is meaningless and has zero benefit to the student. There is discussion about making different types of certifications, which some would pay more. I do not care for the different types of certifications, although it would benefit me, because it would not be the best teachers or the hardest working teachers that would be reward, it would be part of the good old boy system. Also, there is a discussion about a percent increase to award higher levels of education. Right now, the system does not really reward teachers that have improved their education. The amount the system pays for a Masters, makes it difficult to ever pay off the Masters. My wife has a Bachelors plus 64, to include a Masters, She has been an educator for 10 years longer than I have, I make nearly the same amount as her with a <strong>Bachelors because I get credit for military service, and the step increases that were not paid. I actually decided against finishing my Masters last year because there was not enough of a reward versus cost.</strong></strong></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: rgb(141, 141, 141)">5) After the above are answered, then we can figure how much $$$ are necessary to provide for the increase. <strong>256,000.000 is the number that was being tossed around the other night. I am pretty sure they were going off of a $5000 raise.</strong></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: rgb(141, 141, 141)"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: rgb(141, 141, 141)">My thought of revenue generation (not what I want but what they may do) for this...</span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: rgb(141, 141, 141)">1) Production tax increase</span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: rgb(141, 141, 141)">2) Tobacco tax increase (sin tax)</span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: rgb(141, 141, 141)">3) Capital gain tax increase (stock, bond, property/business sale profits)</span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: rgb(141, 141, 141)">4) Income tax increase</span></span></p><p><strong>1) The state needs to tax wind power, they need to have the Indian Tribes, I am a Creek Indian, pay more for their exclusive rights to gambling, and oil and wind need to pay ad valorem taxes. </strong></p><p><strong>2) We need to create a lockbox type of endowment for education about 5 billion in investments, North Dakota did it, that can be used to pay for a large portion of education instead of using the fluctuating general revenue every year. </strong></p><p><strong>3) We pay for 60% of all child births in the state, we need to get out of that business. </strong></p><p><strong>4) Something many teachers are not going to realize is the fact that if they get a raise, they may not qualify for new entries into Oklahoma Promises for their children, and they may no longer qualify for a childcare credit. I few teachers out there that are single mothers, may actually be hurt by the raise.</strong></p><p><strong>5) I do not think the tobacco tax will help very much, because we are already taxing on the far side of the <strong>Laffer Curve. A higher tax should actually generate a lower amount of revenue for the state. </strong></strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Pokinfun, post: 3092839, member: 28113"] [LEFT][SIZE=4][COLOR=rgb(141, 141, 141)]1) How many teachers are there in Oklahoma? [B]41,775[/B] 2) Of the xxx teachers, which group will be receiving a "raise"? (All, certified, alternative certified, temporary, substitute)[B]certified, alternative certified, and [SIZE=4][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=rgb(141, 141, 141)][LEFT]I am pretty sure[/LEFT][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=4][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=rgb(141, 141, 141)][LEFT]a raise for s[/LEFT][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE]upport personnel will be included.[/B] 3) If the district already pays above the base teacher rate, will this group also receive the dictated raise or the difference or TBD? [B]The raise will be on the base salary, not the formula, that means everyone. There are 100 districts, the largest districts, in the state pay above state minimum, part of the problem now is that the last pay raise was on the formula, which means the teachers in those 100 districts did not get the raise. If you did not give the raise on the base, we would be right back here next year. My wife and I did not get the last raise.[/B] 4) Are there any exemptions for any teachers who might get a raise, but will or should not? [B]all, I am not sure how you would decide exemptions. They need to do away with the National Board Certification, it is meaningless and has zero benefit to the student. There is discussion about making different types of certifications, which some would pay more. I do not care for the different types of certifications, although it would benefit me, because it would not be the best teachers or the hardest working teachers that would be reward, it would be part of the good old boy system. Also, there is a discussion about a percent increase to award higher levels of education. Right now, the system does not really reward teachers that have improved their education. The amount the system pays for a Masters, makes it difficult to ever pay off the Masters. My wife has a Bachelors plus 64, to include a Masters, She has been an educator for 10 years longer than I have, I make nearly the same amount as her with a [B]Bachelors because I get credit for military service, and the step increases that were not paid. I actually decided against finishing my Masters last year because there was not enough of a reward versus cost.[/B][/B] 5) After the above are answered, then we can figure how much $$$ are necessary to provide for the increase. [B]256,000.000 is the number that was being tossed around the other night. I am pretty sure they were going off of a $5000 raise.[/B] My thought of revenue generation (not what I want but what they may do) for this... 1) Production tax increase 2) Tobacco tax increase (sin tax) 3) Capital gain tax increase (stock, bond, property/business sale profits) 4) Income tax increase[/COLOR][/SIZE][/LEFT] [B]1) The state needs to tax wind power, they need to have the Indian Tribes, I am a Creek Indian, pay more for their exclusive rights to gambling, and oil and wind need to pay ad valorem taxes. 2) We need to create a lockbox type of endowment for education about 5 billion in investments, North Dakota did it, that can be used to pay for a large portion of education instead of using the fluctuating general revenue every year. 3) We pay for 60% of all child births in the state, we need to get out of that business. 4) Something many teachers are not going to realize is the fact that if they get a raise, they may not qualify for new entries into Oklahoma Promises for their children, and they may no longer qualify for a childcare credit. I few teachers out there that are single mothers, may actually be hurt by the raise. 5) I do not think the tobacco tax will help very much, because we are already taxing on the far side of the [B]Laffer Curve. A higher tax should actually generate a lower amount of revenue for the state. [/B][/B] [/QUOTE]
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