Tennessee Firearms Freedom Act

[Saur]

For example growing apples on your land for your own consumption is federally regulatable. Why? You impacted interstate commerce. How? If you hadn't grown those apples you'd have had to buy them. By not having to buy them you've impacted apple growers in other states, truckers that move those apples from other states, parts makers that make parts and tools that support apple growers and truckers in other states.

 

[458 SOCOM]

Well guys - Oklahoma has the same law pending as those passed in MT and TN. It is ready to be voted on in next year's session if it can get out of commitee. It may very well pass next session.

I will applaud you, celebrate your courage, even contribute to your defense funds (assuming the state won't defend you) when y'all jump right out there and become OK's test case.

Heck I'll even visit ya in Club Fed cuz sure as snow balls will melt in Hades you will lose and OK sure won't go to war to keep you out of the federal lock up.

This isn't 1776 or 1861 or even 1968. Times have changed. The feds have all the power and most of the money. The media is in the pockets of or fawning over the lefties running the show and that's not going to change any time soon.

Sorry guys - and believe me when I say that I really do applaud your courage (assuming its not just internet rambling). BUT going to jail to test a law that it is a foregone conclusion that SCOTUS will toss just isn't practical and might even be exactly what the lefties want.

Won't to make a real difference - convert an anti. Go out and protest against anti politicians. Write your state and national representatives. Write obama. Boycott the advertisers that support the left wing media and let 'em know why. Get as many people as you can that think like you to do the same.

Then you might make a difference.

Going to jail to support a doomed law will have no effect at all and might even help the antis as the media will excoriate you and convince Joe Sixpac and all the rest of the unwashed, unthinking masses that you're either a nut job or a terrorist just waiting in the wings for the right time to act.

Feel good Law - that's all it is. The state doesn't have the sack to back it up. Anyone who tests it will be throwing away 10 years of their lives for naught.

Well I am dang glad I don't draw inspiration from you. You are defeated before you begin because of your attitude of negativity, of course you will say I am just keeping it real, but there is no message of hope any where in your train of thought.

I am not saying for this law to pass that it won't be a monumental battle of epic proportions, because it will. But I do have hope that we freedom loving folks will and can turn this ship around.

 

[Werewolf]

Well I am dang glad I don't draw inspiration from you. You are defeated before you begin because of your attitude of negativity, of course you will say I am just keeping it real...

I am keeping it real. People with families and children just can't go off half cocked fighting the most powerful government on the planet and hope to accomplish much.

...is no message of hope any where in your train of thought.

Really?

What would you call this?

Won't to make a real difference - convert an anti. Go out and protest against anti politicians. Write your state and national representatives. Write obama. Boycott the advertisers that support the left wing media and let 'em know why. Get as many people as you can that think like you to do the same.

Then you might make a difference.

That's a realistic achievable set of actions that any citizen can put into operation and actually make a real difference.

 

[458 SOCOM]

What would you call this?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Werewolf
Won't to make a real difference - convert an anti. Go out and protest against anti politicians. Write your state and national representatives. Write obama. Boycott the advertisers that support the left wing media and let 'em know why. Get as many people as you can that think like you to do the same.

Then you might make a difference.

I would say that is the duty of all American Citizen to exercise their rights and freedoms. But admitting defeat before you begin is a sure first step to failure. I refer to these folks as the "wait and see", and they will bust your ass every time.

 

[TunnelRat]

"Victorious warriors win first and then go to war...defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win." - Sun Tzu

 

[dutchwrangler]

We are slaves. And too lazy to fight.

 

[yukonjack]

Because the Supremes have said over and over again that the Interstate Commerce clause applies even if the item/situation only indirectly impacts interstate commerce.

For example growing apples on your land for your own consumption is federally regulatable. Why? You impacted interstate commerce. How? If you hadn't grown those apples you'd have had to buy them. By not having to buy them you've impacted apple growers in other states, truckers that move those apples from other states, parts makers that make parts and tools that support apple growers and truckers in other states.

Sounds pretty silly doesn't it.

If know one else will throw the ******** flag at you I will. The only thing that sounds silly is your rant.

Cite some specific case law to back up your claim about the individual apple grower. You can't cause you made the whole thing up.

 

[dutchwrangler]

If know one else will throw the ******** flag at you I will. The only thing that sounds silly is your rant.

Cite some specific case law to back up your claim about the individual apple grower. You can't cause you made the whole thing up.

Werewolf was giving an example of what the SCOTUS ruled in Wickard v. Filburn... where a wheat farmer, by not selling his product in the marketplace... impacted the marketplace and thus subject to the Commerce Clause.

It's BS but that's government for you.

 

[Werewolf]

If know one else will throw the ******** flag at you I will. The only thing that sounds silly is your rant.

Cite some specific case law to back up your claim about the individual apple grower. You can't cause you made the whole thing up.

The case is Wickard v. Filburn, 317 U.S. 111 (1942), and Roscoe Filburn did, in fact, live in Ohio. http://supreme.justia.com/us/317/111/case.html

http://www.law.gmu.edu/assets/files/publications/working_papers/06-31.pdf this is a link to Gonzales v Raich - a more recent case that essentially upholds Wickard v Filburn.

Feel free to believe what you want but the SCOTUS has repeatedly upheld congress' usurpation of power and regulatory authority based on a very, very liberal interpretation of the interstate commerce clause.

In the wickard case the guy grew wheat for his own use on his own farm. He ran afoul of some federal agency as a result. The wheat never left his farm, was never involved in commerce in any way. The SCOTUS found against him for the reasons I stated in my previous post.

Gonzales stemmed from CA making it legal for Doctors (MD's) to prescribe marijuana. The feds said no. CA said the feds didn't have jurisdiction because the MJ was CA grown and produced. SCOTUS said too bad... for the same reasons enumerated in Wickard.

Silly yes. Reality definitely.

 

[KOPBET]

You can't cause you made the whole thing up.

Actually it's true.

I'm sure he'll accept your apology.