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<blockquote data-quote="Robbo" data-source="post: 275348" data-attributes="member: 610"><p>Taking a reality based CQT class is not like taking a "XTH year highly advanced" anything. What it will do is teach you the dynamics of how a criminal assault will MOST LIKELY happen in the real world (vs. in the movies) and what problems you will face in regarding dealing with it (and access to your weapon). Here is a hint, it doesn't matter how many times you've practiced your perfect draw, if you try and draw at the wrong moment. I've seen some highly skilled IDPA/IPSC shooters get completely shut down from simply "going for the gun". Some of the stuff is a little counter intuitive to what you think you should do (I know because I thought the same thing before taking a class).</p><p></p><p>If you can find like minded individuals to "do the work" as Mike is saying then all you need is some gear to work force on force and a little knowledge on what to train. Since groups of people that are dedicated enough to meet and train this stuff seem to be few and far between, then your best option is a CQT class to learn about it. There are a few places that teach the REALITY based close quarters tactics. One happens to be local and that is USSA. <a href="http://www.usshootingacademy.com" target="_blank">www.usshootingacademy.com</a> Anything from Southnarc is very real world based and great info, but he is not local (does travel though and has done a course here before) <a href="http://www.shivworks.com/tutorials.asp" target="_blank">http://www.shivworks.com/tutorials.asp</a>. TDSA (local as well) also will be having a close quarters class, though I haven't had any experience with it in it's current incarnation. However, from the classes I've taken there, when Marshall brings in an instructor they have been high quality. <a href="http://www.tdsatulsa.com" target="_blank">www.tdsatulsa.com</a></p><p></p><p>I don't have any bone in the argument. I don't gain anything from you attending a class or not as I don't get paid by any of the organizations above... I have worked before (on a volunteer basis, not paid) as a force-on-force opponent (aka - I was the bad guy in the scenarios) so I've seen the lightbulb go off for many people as they realized how they needed to change their thinking on "how it will go down".</p><p></p><p>Lest you think this is simply a bid to get you to pay for a class, which unfortunately if Mike says what I've said above it seems to always get turned into "Your just trying to get more people in your class" I will re-itterate this. If you can find a few like minded people who are willing to commit to showing up and training, all you need to do is buy training versions of what your carry rig is, some protection suitable for force-on-force (helmet at the least, groin protection), gain a little knowledge on HOW criminals are going to attack you (this is where talking to someone knowledgeable on the facts becomes valuable) and go to town. As Mike said, things will become evident as you try this and try that. A class simply distills all of the things you will figure out by letting you talk to (learn from) guys who HAVE been doing this for years.</p><p></p><p>Rob</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Robbo, post: 275348, member: 610"] Taking a reality based CQT class is not like taking a "XTH year highly advanced" anything. What it will do is teach you the dynamics of how a criminal assault will MOST LIKELY happen in the real world (vs. in the movies) and what problems you will face in regarding dealing with it (and access to your weapon). Here is a hint, it doesn't matter how many times you've practiced your perfect draw, if you try and draw at the wrong moment. I've seen some highly skilled IDPA/IPSC shooters get completely shut down from simply "going for the gun". Some of the stuff is a little counter intuitive to what you think you should do (I know because I thought the same thing before taking a class). If you can find like minded individuals to "do the work" as Mike is saying then all you need is some gear to work force on force and a little knowledge on what to train. Since groups of people that are dedicated enough to meet and train this stuff seem to be few and far between, then your best option is a CQT class to learn about it. There are a few places that teach the REALITY based close quarters tactics. One happens to be local and that is USSA. [url]www.usshootingacademy.com[/url] Anything from Southnarc is very real world based and great info, but he is not local (does travel though and has done a course here before) [url]http://www.shivworks.com/tutorials.asp[/url]. TDSA (local as well) also will be having a close quarters class, though I haven't had any experience with it in it's current incarnation. However, from the classes I've taken there, when Marshall brings in an instructor they have been high quality. [url]www.tdsatulsa.com[/url] I don't have any bone in the argument. I don't gain anything from you attending a class or not as I don't get paid by any of the organizations above... I have worked before (on a volunteer basis, not paid) as a force-on-force opponent (aka - I was the bad guy in the scenarios) so I've seen the lightbulb go off for many people as they realized how they needed to change their thinking on "how it will go down". Lest you think this is simply a bid to get you to pay for a class, which unfortunately if Mike says what I've said above it seems to always get turned into "Your just trying to get more people in your class" I will re-itterate this. If you can find a few like minded people who are willing to commit to showing up and training, all you need to do is buy training versions of what your carry rig is, some protection suitable for force-on-force (helmet at the least, groin protection), gain a little knowledge on HOW criminals are going to attack you (this is where talking to someone knowledgeable on the facts becomes valuable) and go to town. As Mike said, things will become evident as you try this and try that. A class simply distills all of the things you will figure out by letting you talk to (learn from) guys who HAVE been doing this for years. Rob [/QUOTE]
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