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<blockquote data-quote="pistolguy" data-source="post: 2224145" data-attributes="member: 30479"><p>when you shoot animals with ccw loads and guns, you don't see anything like the expansion of jhp's that is seen with jello or water, guys. Try it for yourselves and see. there's plenty of nutria, armadillos, chucks, coons, jackrabbits. If the exit wounds look just like the entrance wound, the hp obviously did not expand, and most dont. If the velocity is under 1200 fps for a .36 bore copper jhp, or under 1000 fps for a .45, forget it. it's even worse with people, because the hp cavity gets "plugged" by clothing debris, and you need more velocity to "clear" that debris, before the hp can expand. lead hp's expand at slightly lower velocities, so do the actual aluminum jacketed silvertips. but the 357 and 9mm ST's are nickelplated copper jhp's. did you know that? the .38, 380, .45 Silvertips are aluminum jacketed.</p><p></p><p>Tom Bryzinski himself, inventor of the Hydrashok, said that if you don't see expansion in the first 2" of penetration, you are not going to see any, with handgun jhp's, in jello. So,no, you don't need to shoot larger animals to see if the jhp will expand in men. flesh and blood is flesh and blood, nothing about human tissue is more likely to expand the hp than animal tissue. If you increase the animal size, you will be even more disappointed in the results, I promise you! :-) you might have a few drop to the shot, but if you shoot 10 or so, you're going to see many of them run quite a ways before they fall. I've shot hundreds of critters with ccw loads and guns, guys.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pistolguy, post: 2224145, member: 30479"] when you shoot animals with ccw loads and guns, you don't see anything like the expansion of jhp's that is seen with jello or water, guys. Try it for yourselves and see. there's plenty of nutria, armadillos, chucks, coons, jackrabbits. If the exit wounds look just like the entrance wound, the hp obviously did not expand, and most dont. If the velocity is under 1200 fps for a .36 bore copper jhp, or under 1000 fps for a .45, forget it. it's even worse with people, because the hp cavity gets "plugged" by clothing debris, and you need more velocity to "clear" that debris, before the hp can expand. lead hp's expand at slightly lower velocities, so do the actual aluminum jacketed silvertips. but the 357 and 9mm ST's are nickelplated copper jhp's. did you know that? the .38, 380, .45 Silvertips are aluminum jacketed. Tom Bryzinski himself, inventor of the Hydrashok, said that if you don't see expansion in the first 2" of penetration, you are not going to see any, with handgun jhp's, in jello. So,no, you don't need to shoot larger animals to see if the jhp will expand in men. flesh and blood is flesh and blood, nothing about human tissue is more likely to expand the hp than animal tissue. If you increase the animal size, you will be even more disappointed in the results, I promise you! :-) you might have a few drop to the shot, but if you shoot 10 or so, you're going to see many of them run quite a ways before they fall. I've shot hundreds of critters with ccw loads and guns, guys. [/QUOTE]
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