The French Revolution

[steelfingers]

IMO, the same French citizens were rioting for more benefits, more health care, more guaranteed vacation, free (total safety net), free education....free....free....free. They also want the Gov to support clean air and pay for it. I ask, with what? France is not the economic power house of the world. Heck they aren't even the top player in Europe
The economy is not that difficult to understand. If you want x productivity, y must provide x amount of labor/time. If you want to work 10 months a year/4 day work weeks/6 hour work days/1 month vacation/full benefits...yada yada, and want to keep productivity and competitiveness, for each person getting this utopia one person has to work 12 hours a day, seven days a week, 12 months a year at a competitive salary. This is just the economy and production.
Utopia's are a myth. Taking ALL the money from the rich won't put a dent in the wants of the delusional masses. Where the hell does that work? Where has it ever worked?

 

[Dale00]

There are many factions and groups in France.....let's be careful not to succumb to stereotyping. The snobbish elitists are real but there are also people suffering under dysfunctional government longing for freedom.

 

[Dale00]

Here is the gist of what I have been able to gather regarding the situation in France:

The rural working class is in rebellion against Macron's government because of worsening economic conditions for them. Specifically:
Ten years ago the government encouraged them to buy diesel vehicles. Now the government is planning to ban the entry of diesel vehicles from cities and was proposing major tax increases on fuel (prior to the riots)
Rural working class people in particular are experiencing more of a tax burden than they can bear, causing a sense of hopelessness and resentment against a national government that does not hear them.
The burden of supporting massive numbers of illegal immigrants must also be causing resentment.

There are no leaders with whom Macron can talk. Hence he must simply be holding on and hoping the riots and protests stop.
There is no Islamist presence in the protests....at least that I can detect in any videos and there is no mention of Islamists in anything I have read.

There are piggyback protestors including disgruntled students protesting a program of school closures/eliminations.

 

[steelfingers]

Here is the gist of what I have been able to gather regarding the situation in France:

The rural working class is in rebellion against Macron's government because of worsening economic conditions for them. Specifically:
Ten years ago the government encouraged them to buy diesel vehicles. Now the government is planning to ban the entry of diesel vehicles from cities and was proposing major tax increases on fuel (prior to the riots)
Rural working class people in particular are experiencing more of a tax burden than they can bear, causing a sense of hopelessness and resentment against a national government that does not hear them.
The burden of supporting massive numbers of illegal immigrants must also be causing resentment.

There are no leaders with whom Macron can talk. Hence he must simply be holding on and hoping the riots and protests stop.
There is no Islamist presence in the protests....at least that I can detect in any videos and there is no mention of Islamists in anything I have read.

There are piggyback protestors including disgruntled students protesting a program of school closures/eliminations.

The Islamist need do nothing at this point. The flame is lit. Their time will come when the ashes are still warm. The socialist are nuts. The French Government is nuts. Reminds me of whats starting here in the good ole USA.
The valid points are taxes. The French are heavily taxed. I think (but may be wrong) at about 70%. Tax upon tax is non sustainable. The French people (starting in university) also wanted more benefit, less work....same stuff I mentioned earlier. To get that, taxes were the only option. There has to be a swing back to normalcy but that generally happens too late.
The socialism they want will not be the socialism they get. An iron fist will rule and yes, everyone will be equal. Equal to zero.
That's how it works. IMO

 

[dennishoddy]

Here is the gist of what I have been able to gather regarding the situation in France:

The rural working class is in rebellion against Macron's government because of worsening economic conditions for them. Specifically:
Ten years ago the government encouraged them to buy diesel vehicles. Now the government is planning to ban the entry of diesel vehicles from cities and was proposing major tax increases on fuel (prior to the riots)
Rural working class people in particular are experiencing more of a tax burden than they can bear, causing a sense of hopelessness and resentment against a national government that does not hear them.
The burden of supporting massive numbers of illegal immigrants must also be causing resentment.

There are no leaders with whom Macron can talk. Hence he must simply be holding on and hoping the riots and protests stop.
There is no Islamist presence in the protests....at least that I can detect in any videos and there is no mention of Islamists in anything I have read.

There are piggyback protestors including disgruntled students protesting a program of school closures/eliminations.

The distance the elite politicians believe what they theorize and the reality that the middle class and farmers have to live with is polar opposites.
The elites theorize that making diesel fuel more expensive will reduce carbon emissions that will save the planet in 10 years (10 years always being the standard) while the farmers live in the real world where a $1 increase in fuel may make the difference in making a profit in their business or actually losing money that directly affects the people the farmer is supporting.
The elite live in a world of unicorns and rainbows while the rest of us live in a world to going to work and making enough money to buy bread and milk for the month. I realize that is a stark reality for a comparison, but in reality that is how it happens.

 

[dennishoddy]

The Islamist need do nothing at this point. The flame is lit. Their time will come when the ashes are still warm. The socialist are nuts. The French Government is nuts. Reminds me of whats starting here in the good ole USA. That's how it works. IMO

Exactly.

 

[Dale00]

Yes, they keep asking the government make their lives better instead of getting out of their lives. Perhaps they will have an epiphany and discover conservatism....I hope so.

The government this week offered concessions to soothe public anger, including scrapping next year’s planned hikes to fuel taxes in the first major U-turn of Macron’s presidency. It will cost the Treasury 4 billion euros ($4.5 billion).

But protesters want Macron to go further to help hard-pressed households, including an increase to the minimum wage, lower taxes, higher salaries, cheaper energy, better retirement benefits and even Macron’s resignation.

“We want equality, we want to live, not survive,” said demonstrator Guillaume Le Grac, 28, who works in a slaughterhouse in Britanny.

Macron is expected to address the nation early next week to possibly further soften planned reforms and tax increases.

https://www.oann.com/paris-in-lockd...JLYHChf_7if9Dwn6Deln4q7ckVIfYeqxAAWKCQR8Cdruc

 

[Frederick]

We're so lucky we don't live in a high-tax socialist hellhole like that. This is where we're headed if the dems take back the .gov.

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

What is happening in France is nothing akin to the American Revolution. They want more dependence upon government - not freedom. Can't really call that a revolution. At the same time, they don't want to pay the taxes required for the government to support them in the fashion they demand. It does not compute. I think they are suffering from brain damage. I'd call it Utopian Delusionism Syndrome. UDS for short. . . . Come to think of it, there is a movement in this country headed in the same direction; only in this country we call it the left.

Woody

 

[Gunbuffer]

I think they have yellow vested camouflage commandos on motorcycles here. They swarm in and out of tinker on a daily basis