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<blockquote data-quote="RidgeHunter" data-source="post: 2759410" data-attributes="member: 4319"><p>Why not? Killing each other is one of the things people do best. Were the Nazis all mentally ill? What about hundreds of thousands of young Hutus in 1994? All the gang shooters to ever bust off a shot in Roseland on a summer weekend?</p><p></p><p>Mentally stable people are full 100% capable of killing people. I'm capable of killing people. ****, many members of this forum have killed people. Well, not without a reason you say. Reasoning is subjective. Good reason, bad reason, whatever. All we need is a reason. The same guy on the sidewalk walking by my house at 4:00 pm would be bleeding out on my hardwoods if I found him in my bedroom at 4:00 am. There's my reason. Mop top's reason for shooting up a church? Not as good, right? That's my opinion. Still the same act. Killing other people. I'm just as capable of it as he is. </p><p></p><p>The mentally ill are more likely to be victims of violence than perpetrators of it. I get real tired of every person that commits a violent act being pawned off as "crazy". This kid was an outcast loser who, for whatever reason, decided to subscribe to white supremacy to make himself feel better and more in control and give his daily life a sense of meaning. He used the capacity for violence we all have in a way that is contrary to the type of society we should be working to build.*</p><p></p><p>"How could a person be capable of such violence" cracks me up. We're a disgusting animal. Maybe "mental illness" is our default state. Somewhere right now some dude is raping a baby and we sit around talking about morals. We are an evolutionary mistake. We congealed in the primordial soup a bit too long and this is what happened. </p><p></p><p>Morality is subjective and flexible and easily overruled by something as seemingly silly as fake authority. Stanley Millgram, Yale University, 1961. We know right from wrong, but that's not what governs most of us. Social norms do. If everyone else has a machete or a can of Zyklon B, we pick one up too, even if we feel bad about it. This is proven.</p><p></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history</a></p><p></p><p>*Now with our big brains and our luxury of not having to work to eat 24/7, we can attempt to develop a society that's a bit kinder and gentler to our fellow man. It's proving to be a little tough, though. Feels unnatural and scary to many. </p><p></p><p>Race superiority. Separatists and supremacists and gang members - they all are trying to fill something inside of with something easier than introspection and personal evolution. A life in prison is easier than coming to grips with your own failures and shortcomings.</p><p></p><p>Mental illness is real and the mentally ill do commit violent crimes. But you don't have to be crazy to murder. In fact most murderers are just like you and me. I sat in on a first degree murder trail. Dude shot his wife 7 times one morning before breakfast. Nice, polite, normal suburban dude. Sane. Just decided one day he'd like to see his wife with some extra holes in her. Was he crazy? Nope. We come hardwired for violence. We're mammals, with too much time on our hands, and brains that doubled in size in a remarkably short time for no ******* good reason. Cognitive dissonance is us and we are it. Locked in eternal battle. Id, ego, superego, superheros, superhighways, drugs, planes, trains, automobiles, is anyone still reading this ****? I've seen people beat each other's teeth out for reasons they couldn't articulate for a million dollars. We're f*cking chimps, man. Shaved chimps with mortgages and .45s.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RidgeHunter, post: 2759410, member: 4319"] Why not? Killing each other is one of the things people do best. Were the Nazis all mentally ill? What about hundreds of thousands of young Hutus in 1994? All the gang shooters to ever bust off a shot in Roseland on a summer weekend? Mentally stable people are full 100% capable of killing people. I'm capable of killing people. ****, many members of this forum have killed people. Well, not without a reason you say. Reasoning is subjective. Good reason, bad reason, whatever. All we need is a reason. The same guy on the sidewalk walking by my house at 4:00 pm would be bleeding out on my hardwoods if I found him in my bedroom at 4:00 am. There's my reason. Mop top's reason for shooting up a church? Not as good, right? That's my opinion. Still the same act. Killing other people. I'm just as capable of it as he is. The mentally ill are more likely to be victims of violence than perpetrators of it. I get real tired of every person that commits a violent act being pawned off as "crazy". This kid was an outcast loser who, for whatever reason, decided to subscribe to white supremacy to make himself feel better and more in control and give his daily life a sense of meaning. He used the capacity for violence we all have in a way that is contrary to the type of society we should be working to build.* "How could a person be capable of such violence" cracks me up. We're a disgusting animal. Maybe "mental illness" is our default state. Somewhere right now some dude is raping a baby and we sit around talking about morals. We are an evolutionary mistake. We congealed in the primordial soup a bit too long and this is what happened. Morality is subjective and flexible and easily overruled by something as seemingly silly as fake authority. Stanley Millgram, Yale University, 1961. We know right from wrong, but that's not what governs most of us. Social norms do. If everyone else has a machete or a can of Zyklon B, we pick one up too, even if we feel bad about it. This is proven. [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history[/URL] *Now with our big brains and our luxury of not having to work to eat 24/7, we can attempt to develop a society that's a bit kinder and gentler to our fellow man. It's proving to be a little tough, though. Feels unnatural and scary to many. Race superiority. Separatists and supremacists and gang members - they all are trying to fill something inside of with something easier than introspection and personal evolution. A life in prison is easier than coming to grips with your own failures and shortcomings. Mental illness is real and the mentally ill do commit violent crimes. But you don't have to be crazy to murder. In fact most murderers are just like you and me. I sat in on a first degree murder trail. Dude shot his wife 7 times one morning before breakfast. Nice, polite, normal suburban dude. Sane. Just decided one day he'd like to see his wife with some extra holes in her. Was he crazy? Nope. We come hardwired for violence. We're mammals, with too much time on our hands, and brains that doubled in size in a remarkably short time for no ******* good reason. Cognitive dissonance is us and we are it. Locked in eternal battle. Id, ego, superego, superheros, superhighways, drugs, planes, trains, automobiles, is anyone still reading this ****? I've seen people beat each other's teeth out for reasons they couldn't articulate for a million dollars. We're f*cking chimps, man. Shaved chimps with mortgages and .45s. [/QUOTE]
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