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<blockquote data-quote="Glocktogo" data-source="post: 2886220" data-attributes="member: 1132"><p>That's incorrect. He was well above the threshold for reporting on multiple occasions and those reports were made. The problem is a lack of trained CT agents and officers who can recognize and articulate the difference between just spouting off angrily and someone with intent to commit a crime. That's just the baseline, a really good CT agent can elicit the responses necessary to breach the threshold, should they feel the subject is truly on the path to an attack.</p><p></p><p>While it's true that "chatter" intercepts are proverbial gold in establishing a foreign terror plot conspiracy, that speaks more to the prosecution than prevention. These events always wind up producing an "unindicted co-conspirator" list. here are three examples:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.investigativeproject.org/1854/doj-cairs-unindicted-co-conspirator-status-legit#" target="_blank">http://www.investigativeproject.org/1854/doj-cairs-unindicted-co-conspirator-status-legit#</a></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.charityandsecurity.org/news/unindicted_coconspirators_list_ordered_sealed" target="_blank">http://www.charityandsecurity.org/news/unindicted_coconspirators_list_ordered_sealed</a></p><p></p><p><a href="http://peterlance.com/172_unindicted_co-conspirators_Day_of_Terror.pdf" target="_blank">http://peterlance.com/172_unindicted_co-conspirators_Day_of_Terror.pdf</a></p><p></p><p>These are people who are known to have facilitated terrorism, which may mean something as simple as aggregating funds or providing guidance and expertise, to facilitating operations. In the so-called "lone wolf" cases, there may not be as much (or any) "chatter" to exploit, but that doesn't mean there wasn't anyone supporting the lone wolf in one way or another.</p><p></p><p>Another issue is how to negotiate the pitfalls of information sharing without violating a person's civil rights. Those rights are important and need to be continually kept in mind, while also understanding the rights of potential victims are important too. Overall, CT work is a VERY complex game of "what if" and "when is too soon, vs. when is too late".</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Exactly! Islam isn't merely a religion. It's a socio-political ideology based on a religion, with a complete legal framework as support. To merely call it a religion is disingenuous at best and downright deceptive at worst. Until the West learns to separate the three distinct aspects of Islam and focus on the socio-political aspects of Muslim extremism, we are doomed to repeat our failures. That's one significant reason President Obama is such a huge failure in combatting Islamic extremism. He either can't or won't admit to the key aspects of the problem. If you can't identify and speak to the problem, your ability to effectively mitigate the problem will be severely compromised. <img src="/images/smilies/frown.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" data-shortname=":(" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Glocktogo, post: 2886220, member: 1132"] That's incorrect. He was well above the threshold for reporting on multiple occasions and those reports were made. The problem is a lack of trained CT agents and officers who can recognize and articulate the difference between just spouting off angrily and someone with intent to commit a crime. That's just the baseline, a really good CT agent can elicit the responses necessary to breach the threshold, should they feel the subject is truly on the path to an attack. While it's true that "chatter" intercepts are proverbial gold in establishing a foreign terror plot conspiracy, that speaks more to the prosecution than prevention. These events always wind up producing an "unindicted co-conspirator" list. here are three examples: [URL]http://www.investigativeproject.org/1854/doj-cairs-unindicted-co-conspirator-status-legit#[/URL] [URL]http://www.charityandsecurity.org/news/unindicted_coconspirators_list_ordered_sealed[/URL] [URL]http://peterlance.com/172_unindicted_co-conspirators_Day_of_Terror.pdf[/URL] These are people who are known to have facilitated terrorism, which may mean something as simple as aggregating funds or providing guidance and expertise, to facilitating operations. In the so-called "lone wolf" cases, there may not be as much (or any) "chatter" to exploit, but that doesn't mean there wasn't anyone supporting the lone wolf in one way or another. Another issue is how to negotiate the pitfalls of information sharing without violating a person's civil rights. Those rights are important and need to be continually kept in mind, while also understanding the rights of potential victims are important too. Overall, CT work is a VERY complex game of "what if" and "when is too soon, vs. when is too late". Exactly! Islam isn't merely a religion. It's a socio-political ideology based on a religion, with a complete legal framework as support. To merely call it a religion is disingenuous at best and downright deceptive at worst. Until the West learns to separate the three distinct aspects of Islam and focus on the socio-political aspects of Muslim extremism, we are doomed to repeat our failures. That's one significant reason President Obama is such a huge failure in combatting Islamic extremism. He either can't or won't admit to the key aspects of the problem. If you can't identify and speak to the problem, your ability to effectively mitigate the problem will be severely compromised. :( [/QUOTE]
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