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The "No Steel Ammo" Rule at Indoor Ranges...
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<blockquote data-quote="Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow" data-source="post: 1458964" data-attributes="member: 7123"><p>Yes, well, although I'd bet that you're exactly right about that, I would still give the benefit of the doubt to the range on their stated reason on the pistol ammo, which is "it ricochets more than non-steel and has nothing to do with damage to the backstop". So if you take that at face value, then for the pistol ammo (only), the rule is for your OWN safety, not their costs. That 5.7 ammo won't be ricocheting nearly as badly, in nearly as large of remaining pieces, as the steel 9x19, I don't think.</p><p></p><p>Now, they're certainly telling the truth about rifle ammo when they tell you flat out "it destroys the backstop / increases our costs", and so there's no reason for me to disbelieve them when they turn around and say that although it's for a different *reason*, the same rule applies to handgun ammo.</p><p></p><p>No, there's no rifle/pistol range dichotomy at *most* places, in terms of actual difference, I don't think. You can shoot rifles on the "pistol" range and vice versa.</p><p></p><p>By the way, anyone know WHY Wolf and others use steel-jacket/lead-core ammo (with thin copper plating), instead of steel-core, lead-jacket ammo (with thin copper plating)? Maybe its' because of lead fouling.</p><p></p><p>With respect to cases, while it may be true in many states / parts of the country that one or more of the real reasons, whether stated or not, why you cannot shoot steel-component ammo at certain ranges is because they lose money on re-selling the brass, this doesn't happen anywhere I've been so far in Okla., because this only matters if the range also has a "you cannot pick up brass" rule - and since we Okie shooters just don't take too kindly to such a rule -we like our brass- there's no ranges I know of that can get away with having such a rule, because no one would go there. We're too cheap/savvy about the value of brass, and there's too many reloaders.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow, post: 1458964, member: 7123"] Yes, well, although I'd bet that you're exactly right about that, I would still give the benefit of the doubt to the range on their stated reason on the pistol ammo, which is "it ricochets more than non-steel and has nothing to do with damage to the backstop". So if you take that at face value, then for the pistol ammo (only), the rule is for your OWN safety, not their costs. That 5.7 ammo won't be ricocheting nearly as badly, in nearly as large of remaining pieces, as the steel 9x19, I don't think. Now, they're certainly telling the truth about rifle ammo when they tell you flat out "it destroys the backstop / increases our costs", and so there's no reason for me to disbelieve them when they turn around and say that although it's for a different *reason*, the same rule applies to handgun ammo. No, there's no rifle/pistol range dichotomy at *most* places, in terms of actual difference, I don't think. You can shoot rifles on the "pistol" range and vice versa. By the way, anyone know WHY Wolf and others use steel-jacket/lead-core ammo (with thin copper plating), instead of steel-core, lead-jacket ammo (with thin copper plating)? Maybe its' because of lead fouling. With respect to cases, while it may be true in many states / parts of the country that one or more of the real reasons, whether stated or not, why you cannot shoot steel-component ammo at certain ranges is because they lose money on re-selling the brass, this doesn't happen anywhere I've been so far in Okla., because this only matters if the range also has a "you cannot pick up brass" rule - and since we Okie shooters just don't take too kindly to such a rule -we like our brass- there's no ranges I know of that can get away with having such a rule, because no one would go there. We're too cheap/savvy about the value of brass, and there's too many reloaders. [/QUOTE]
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