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<blockquote data-quote="Dave70968" data-source="post: 3149728" data-attributes="member: 13624"><p>Y'all are so busy bashing NPR that you missed the point.</p><p></p><p>First of all, [USER=5412]@dennishoddy[/USER] and [USER=24577]@TonyKane1[/USER], this isn't the media lying; this is the media disproving .gov's claim. This is the media doing what it's supposed to be doing. As to whether .gov was lying or merely incompetent, I won't weigh in, but this is not something that should be blamed on the media.</p><p></p><p>Second, and even more important, this is <em>our own adversaries</em> putting out information that helps us tremendously. If this had been on, say, Breitbart, it would be dismissed instantly by about half the population. Because it's on NPR, though, I have liberal friends who want to know more. And not just liberal; master's-degree-in-social-work liberal. They're <em>listening</em>, because they can't dismiss it as being right-wing propaganda.</p><p></p><p>Moreover, it's well-sourced: it is not just original research, but also cites to sources they like, and still supports us. Sources like Everytown. If we take the numbers put out by Everytown at face value, then the official numbers are "only" overstating things by a factor of eight. If we take NPRs investigation-based analysis, it's closer to a factor of <em>thirty</em>. And when contacted about the discrepancy, the .gov agency in charge had no intention of re-releasing the numbers to be accurate.</p><p></p><p>If we're going to use the official report to drive policy, that report needs to have some basis in reality; this one doesn't. Articles like this, from sources the left trusts, are some of the most useful, effective arguments we have, and y'all want to squabble over media bias?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dave70968, post: 3149728, member: 13624"] Y'all are so busy bashing NPR that you missed the point. First of all, [USER=5412]@dennishoddy[/USER] and [USER=24577]@TonyKane1[/USER], this isn't the media lying; this is the media disproving .gov's claim. This is the media doing what it's supposed to be doing. As to whether .gov was lying or merely incompetent, I won't weigh in, but this is not something that should be blamed on the media. Second, and even more important, this is [I]our own adversaries[/I] putting out information that helps us tremendously. If this had been on, say, Breitbart, it would be dismissed instantly by about half the population. Because it's on NPR, though, I have liberal friends who want to know more. And not just liberal; master's-degree-in-social-work liberal. They're [I]listening[/I], because they can't dismiss it as being right-wing propaganda. Moreover, it's well-sourced: it is not just original research, but also cites to sources they like, and still supports us. Sources like Everytown. If we take the numbers put out by Everytown at face value, then the official numbers are "only" overstating things by a factor of eight. If we take NPRs investigation-based analysis, it's closer to a factor of [I]thirty[/I]. And when contacted about the discrepancy, the .gov agency in charge had no intention of re-releasing the numbers to be accurate. If we're going to use the official report to drive policy, that report needs to have some basis in reality; this one doesn't. Articles like this, from sources the left trusts, are some of the most useful, effective arguments we have, and y'all want to squabble over media bias? [/QUOTE]
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