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Thunderbird Run 'n Gun, July 13, 2013 -- do you have what it takes?
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<blockquote data-quote="uncle money bags" data-source="post: 2242047" data-attributes="member: 8377"><p>UMB's semi-coherent AAR follows.</p><p></p><p>First, I would like to thank, again, the staff, sponsors and our host for a very well organized and executed event. It was nice to finally meet fellow OSA members in person, although somehow I was able to miss a few of them I wanted to meet. perhaps they saw me first and said to themselves, "hell no".</p><p>I think for the majority of shooters and movers it was a chance for us to shake out our kit and physical program under stress. I am approaching this review with that in mind as I had no illusions of competing with any one but myself. </p><p></p><p>With that in mind my goals for the event were:</p><p>1. Finish without an injury. This seems to be self evident, but I was more concerned with another heat injury.</p><p>2. Shoot the course with an emphasis on efficiency in terms of rounds needed to complete the obstacle, reloads, and clearing malfunctions if needed.</p><p>3. To finish the course on my feet.</p><p></p><p></p><p><u>Gear</u></p><p>From top to bottom:</p><p>Sooper cool tactical sand colored ball cap, never washed.</p><p>Oakley M frame 2.0. these are probably the best ballistic rated glasses I have owned.</p><p>Crye JPC with Large ESAPI plates- Source 3L hydration pack (2L h2o)- 1x HSGI Taco rifle mag holder- 2x HSGI pistol mag holder- HSGI IFAK with shears, israeli bandage, H and H gauze, Quickclot gauze- </p><p> small molle pouch with spare ar bolt, lube, firing pin, saline and contacts- Tactical Tailor TQ holder with CATT- 4x PMAGS with 120 rds- 2x Glock 17 mags with 34 rounds.</p><p>215 Gear enh. riggers belt with safariland 6004 hooded holster with single leg strap attached to the belt with a safariland 1.5 inch DFA.</p><p>Noveske lowered Daniel Defense MK 18 with Geissele ssa, Vltor A5, Elcan Specter DR 1x4, Troy buis, YHM 5.56 suppressor, VCAS sling, BCM mod 1 grip.</p><p>Nomex flyers gloves, which stayed in my pocket, and i regretted later.</p><p>Glock 17, 2nd gen, 18 rounds of ammo</p><p>Massif ACS</p><p>Woolrich sooper cool guy pants.</p><p>Danner Melee mid high boots.</p><p></p><p>Having previously run in and done limited training in this gear I felt reasonably sure that it was ready to do work. With gear, guns and ammo I tipped the scales at 275 to 280 lbs with 2 liters of water. For the most part it all performed as well or better than expected, and a couple of items failed to live up to their rep. I had removed the elastic retention for the rifle mag holders on the JPC believing that the mags sat far enough down in the pouches that retention would not be an issue. This proved to be true, they stayed right where I left them. I did re purpose on of the straps to the rifle TACO as it was more exposed out front and less of the magazine is protected by the pouch. Everything stayed put until I needed it. I did have the hood on the 6004 pop down while under the wire but the pistol was retained. The ACS was a recent add on to my kit and worked well to keep my timer and ear plugs handy as well as letting the slight breeze cool my tender flesh under the plate carrier. The thorns had no affect on the shirt, which surprised me, as my pants were a holey mess and the rand around the front of my left boot was all but torn away. I expected more from the Danners than they were able to deliver I guess. I see some Salomon GTX in my near future.</p><p></p><p></p><p><u>Shuffling around the course:</u></p><p></p><p>I started the C25K program 10 weeks ago. At the time I could not jog 100 yards. No, I am not kidding. Between my knees and my weight, I was not ambulatory beyond a quick walk without any extra gear. This program was recommended to me before I heard about the run and gun and I just decided it was time to get off my ass; the run and gun was my motivation. I had been running/ walking in this gear for the past 6 weeks, sans rifle and pistol, for 1.5 to 2 miles every other day working up to all jogging and no running for that distance over the past 3 weeks. During that time I dropped 35 lbs. I stuck to trail running and thought I was half way prepared for the challenge. I was wrong, very wrong. While my 10 week ago self would have died before reaching the pond, my recent self was begging me to stop at about the same spot. An improvement, but not the one i expected. It was my intention to "airborne shuffle" where I could and walk where i had to. This was quickly replaced by a " sweet Jesus, if I can just keep putting one foot in front of the other I will be lucky". several times I was just gassed and had to take a knee. at station 2 and 3 I had to actually stop and sit under the shade while other shooters passed me by. Did I mention heat injury? one of the RO's at station 2 asked me if I was ok, and followed that with "well, your color looks ok, I have fluids in that bag if you need them". This was a question I would be asked at the next stage as well, and like #2 I had to sit for a few until some clarity and wind got back into me. I would like to say here that the RO's were very perceptive to possible medical problems, and would not stop talking to me while i was stopped; evaluating my alertness. I made the mistake of not eating breakfast, instead I relied on the energy from a Clif bar and Clif energy pouch with buckets of water. I am sure that contributed to my lack of juice. </p><p>The course was a swell mix of summer heat, nail like thorns, abrupt elevation changes, more thorns ( this time with vines). There were a couple of barbed wire obstacles which were not necessarily physically hard but were just high enough off the ground to grab whatever was on your back and make you back up before continuing, If someone had been screaming at me while I was there I would have had flashbacks to basic training. As for the gulley on the blue trail. We almost had a full on OSA convention down there while contemplating our predicament. Thank you for the rope.</p><p>Somewhere between the first and second stages i picked up a small acorn between my left heel and inside of my boot. Thinking it was my sock bunching up i drove on to the second stage. I have a nice blistered divot at the base of my Achilles for not stopping sooner. I had issues with navigation and went off the res in several areas only to backtrack and try again. That, combined with the guidance from other competitors, i did find my way, eventually. This was not particularly troublesome, other than being an annoyance, as I expected being able to find your way in less than ideal circumstances a part of the experience. </p><p>What I learned. While my restart into the world of becoming physically productive member society has had a good start, much work is needed. The run and gun was considerably tougher than I had expected, combined with inadequate nutrition provided a welcome wake up call.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="uncle money bags, post: 2242047, member: 8377"] UMB's semi-coherent AAR follows. First, I would like to thank, again, the staff, sponsors and our host for a very well organized and executed event. It was nice to finally meet fellow OSA members in person, although somehow I was able to miss a few of them I wanted to meet. perhaps they saw me first and said to themselves, "hell no". I think for the majority of shooters and movers it was a chance for us to shake out our kit and physical program under stress. I am approaching this review with that in mind as I had no illusions of competing with any one but myself. With that in mind my goals for the event were: 1. Finish without an injury. This seems to be self evident, but I was more concerned with another heat injury. 2. Shoot the course with an emphasis on efficiency in terms of rounds needed to complete the obstacle, reloads, and clearing malfunctions if needed. 3. To finish the course on my feet. [U]Gear[/U] From top to bottom: Sooper cool tactical sand colored ball cap, never washed. Oakley M frame 2.0. these are probably the best ballistic rated glasses I have owned. Crye JPC with Large ESAPI plates- Source 3L hydration pack (2L h2o)- 1x HSGI Taco rifle mag holder- 2x HSGI pistol mag holder- HSGI IFAK with shears, israeli bandage, H and H gauze, Quickclot gauze- small molle pouch with spare ar bolt, lube, firing pin, saline and contacts- Tactical Tailor TQ holder with CATT- 4x PMAGS with 120 rds- 2x Glock 17 mags with 34 rounds. 215 Gear enh. riggers belt with safariland 6004 hooded holster with single leg strap attached to the belt with a safariland 1.5 inch DFA. Noveske lowered Daniel Defense MK 18 with Geissele ssa, Vltor A5, Elcan Specter DR 1x4, Troy buis, YHM 5.56 suppressor, VCAS sling, BCM mod 1 grip. Nomex flyers gloves, which stayed in my pocket, and i regretted later. Glock 17, 2nd gen, 18 rounds of ammo Massif ACS Woolrich sooper cool guy pants. Danner Melee mid high boots. Having previously run in and done limited training in this gear I felt reasonably sure that it was ready to do work. With gear, guns and ammo I tipped the scales at 275 to 280 lbs with 2 liters of water. For the most part it all performed as well or better than expected, and a couple of items failed to live up to their rep. I had removed the elastic retention for the rifle mag holders on the JPC believing that the mags sat far enough down in the pouches that retention would not be an issue. This proved to be true, they stayed right where I left them. I did re purpose on of the straps to the rifle TACO as it was more exposed out front and less of the magazine is protected by the pouch. Everything stayed put until I needed it. I did have the hood on the 6004 pop down while under the wire but the pistol was retained. The ACS was a recent add on to my kit and worked well to keep my timer and ear plugs handy as well as letting the slight breeze cool my tender flesh under the plate carrier. The thorns had no affect on the shirt, which surprised me, as my pants were a holey mess and the rand around the front of my left boot was all but torn away. I expected more from the Danners than they were able to deliver I guess. I see some Salomon GTX in my near future. [U]Shuffling around the course:[/U] I started the C25K program 10 weeks ago. At the time I could not jog 100 yards. No, I am not kidding. Between my knees and my weight, I was not ambulatory beyond a quick walk without any extra gear. This program was recommended to me before I heard about the run and gun and I just decided it was time to get off my ass; the run and gun was my motivation. I had been running/ walking in this gear for the past 6 weeks, sans rifle and pistol, for 1.5 to 2 miles every other day working up to all jogging and no running for that distance over the past 3 weeks. During that time I dropped 35 lbs. I stuck to trail running and thought I was half way prepared for the challenge. I was wrong, very wrong. While my 10 week ago self would have died before reaching the pond, my recent self was begging me to stop at about the same spot. An improvement, but not the one i expected. It was my intention to "airborne shuffle" where I could and walk where i had to. This was quickly replaced by a " sweet Jesus, if I can just keep putting one foot in front of the other I will be lucky". several times I was just gassed and had to take a knee. at station 2 and 3 I had to actually stop and sit under the shade while other shooters passed me by. Did I mention heat injury? one of the RO's at station 2 asked me if I was ok, and followed that with "well, your color looks ok, I have fluids in that bag if you need them". This was a question I would be asked at the next stage as well, and like #2 I had to sit for a few until some clarity and wind got back into me. I would like to say here that the RO's were very perceptive to possible medical problems, and would not stop talking to me while i was stopped; evaluating my alertness. I made the mistake of not eating breakfast, instead I relied on the energy from a Clif bar and Clif energy pouch with buckets of water. I am sure that contributed to my lack of juice. The course was a swell mix of summer heat, nail like thorns, abrupt elevation changes, more thorns ( this time with vines). There were a couple of barbed wire obstacles which were not necessarily physically hard but were just high enough off the ground to grab whatever was on your back and make you back up before continuing, If someone had been screaming at me while I was there I would have had flashbacks to basic training. As for the gulley on the blue trail. We almost had a full on OSA convention down there while contemplating our predicament. Thank you for the rope. Somewhere between the first and second stages i picked up a small acorn between my left heel and inside of my boot. Thinking it was my sock bunching up i drove on to the second stage. I have a nice blistered divot at the base of my Achilles for not stopping sooner. I had issues with navigation and went off the res in several areas only to backtrack and try again. That, combined with the guidance from other competitors, i did find my way, eventually. This was not particularly troublesome, other than being an annoyance, as I expected being able to find your way in less than ideal circumstances a part of the experience. What I learned. While my restart into the world of becoming physically productive member society has had a good start, much work is needed. The run and gun was considerably tougher than I had expected, combined with inadequate nutrition provided a welcome wake up call. [/QUOTE]
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