Training to take

[Red Dirt Walker]

I'm looking for recommendations for advanced firearms training to take if you are newish to firearms and are planning to care or is none helpful. I say "advanced" and "newish" as the no brainer basic classes have been taken, just wondering if more advanced classes are worth it and if so, which ones?

 

[JEVapa]

IMO, "Advanced" shooting is just mastery of the basics. This will piss off a lot of super-badass advanced pistol-fighter types, but it's simply the truth.
No matter what any amount of flips, tricks, theatrics, and general buttf-ckery people do on the range in the name of "advanced" shooting, it is no replacement for mastering the basics. I would never spend the dough for any "master" class. Just me.

I'd give this dude some cheddar though. This is a good vidja.

 

[OneMoreEvan]

Paul at SOR in Moore does really excellent shooting classes.

 

[wawazat]

IMO, "Advanced" shooting is just mastery of the basics. This will piss off a lot of super-badass advanced pistol-fighter types, but it's simply the truth.
No matter what any amount of flips, tricks, theatrics, and general buttf-ckery people do on the range in the name of "advanced" shooting, it is no replacement for mastering the basics. I would never spend the dough for any "master" class. Just me.

I'd give this dude some cheddar though. This is a good vidja.

I have a buddy that is a hell of a marksman with handgun and rifle that preaches the same thing. I am super jealous of how quickly he picks up the sights while bringing his weapon up though. He said purposeful practice and lots of rounds downrange is all it takes. Eventually you get good enough you can focus on the obstacles because your brain has the weapon part covered. I am certainly not there yet.

 

[JEVapa]

I have a buddy that is a hell of a marksman with handgun and rifle that preaches the same thing. I am super jealous of how quickly he picks up the sights while bringing his weapon up though. He said purposeful practice and lots of rounds downrange is all it takes. Eventually you get good enough you can focus on the obstacles because your brain has the weapon part covered. I am certainly not there yet.

Practice makes perfect. Spend the dough on bullets and targets and time.

 

[Red Dirt Walker]

Practice makes perfect. Spend the dough on bullets and targets and time.

Ok, so what I'm gathering from this is that once the "basics" are taken, just keep practicing what you learned in the "basics" and your good?

 

[HoLeChit]

I had a buddy who used to do all the crap with mantis global. I never did any classes, but it seemed like some decent basic stuff.

 

[KurtM]

Perfect practice makes perfect. I have watched lots of folks make basic marksmanship mistakes over and over and over while trying to do all of it themselves by "just shooting a lot". Now I really do agree it's all about the basics, but you can really cut you learning curve drastically if you get some instruction as to what your doing wrong, and to what makes perfect practice. A couple examples. Had a guy that was all self taught. Was an ok shooter, but struggled greatly with any rifle target past 50 yards. He was very frustrated and finally asked for help. I watched him shoot 5 rounds and I didn't see much wrong, so I asked him where he zeroed his rifle. I got a blank look. I asked him if he was zeroed at 100 or 200 yards (iron sight AR-10), blank look. I told him we should zero his rifle and his reply was "didn't it come zeroed"? He honestly didn't know. I wonder how many 1000s of rounds that would have taken to just practice through on your own. Next example 5 year Fed L.E. always struggled to qualify and a couple times couldn't. His boss asked me to work with him, because other than the shooting he was a pretty good Cop. Took him aside of the class and had him shoot 5 round at 7 yards with his 320 aiming at a 3" circle about shoulder level on the target. All landed low and left down around the fat roll. Asked him if anyone had ever told him don't jerk the trigger. He said yes, every time he qualed and anytime he shot on his own with friends. I asked him if he knew what that meant, he said not really. I had him hold the gun on target finger on the trigger, and I put my finger over his and told him to just sight the gun and feel what I was doing. We fired 10 round with me pulling the trigger for him with his finger under mine 70% were in the circle and the rest right around it. The next 3 days in a row I had him do trigger drills and dry fire and told him when you hear "don't jerk" mentally say I'm going to press my trigger straight back and smoothly. That guy now quals in the high 90s and has stayed there for two years. Maybe after 50,000 rounds he would have figured it out, but a bit of training sure cut the learning curve, and he now knows what they ment all those years.

 

[JEVapa]

Ok, so what I'm gathering from this is that once the "basics" are taken, just keep practicing what you learned in the "basics" and your good?

This is what counts. Just like the vidja said, basics the right way or the wrong way.

Perfect practice makes perfect.

Everything @KurtM said regarding mistakes and corrections of mistakes, are basic marksmanship and is spot on.
I believe if you are going to pay for training, then pay for training from someone who will train basics the right way. Those are much fewer and farther between and you'll have to do your homework and have a little discernment.
I can't recommend a training facility to give your money to but there are one or two humans here that might could help.

I'd watch some Pat MacNamara videos too...he does a good job explaining things.

 

[KurtM]

I can recommend two places that I feel do a very good job instilling the basics the right way.
TDSA up in Tulsa
The American Pistol Institute "GunSite" in Paulden Az.

Note: some advanced training can be beneficial especially in the relm of malfunction clearance, room clearing, flashlight techniques, support side shooting and moving while shooting. The nice thing about GunSite and TDSA is you will get some of that in their basic courses.