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<blockquote data-quote="bluedog46" data-source="post: 3141126" data-attributes="member: 40208"><p>I once had a black conservative friend ask me and some others in a group of various sexes and races what the "main problem for the black community is". There were things like crime, some mentioned legacy of racism while saying not to excuse bad behavior because of it. Black on black crime was brought up. Lack of accountability and blaming things on racism and segregation was brought up. I actually mentioned and got some agreement on what I think is the biggest problem. I mentioned that all groups have their "bad people" among Italians its the mafia and among the Irish it was the bootleggers and often gangsters. The japanese have yakuza. The thing is all those groups will slam the worst in their community. When that dylan rolf guy shot those 9 people at the church I don't think any white politicians, entertainers, musicians or anything else tried to excuse the behavior. No one said "I dont agree with his actions but understand the frustration". It appears in my opinion and what i have seen teh black community, in general, is the only community that will defend the worst of the worst elements a amongst itself. That greatly does not help the cause. With trayvon is a prime example. In many of those police shootings you hear "They could have just shot him in the leg" no one seems to realize it often starts with bad behavior on the part of the person. Even teh case of the man shot in the back in south carolina by the police officer. Its undefensible what the officer did, but in all fairness it would not have happened had the guy not ran and struggled with the cop. We have no idea what happened before the video. If he assualted or punched the officer then there is the fleeing felon issue.</p><p></p><p>Here is what i think happened with trayvon in my heart of hearts. I think Zimmerman did follow him and was concerned. Trayvon probably went up to him asking "Are you following me" or something to that effect. Words could have been exchanged, but i have a feeling Martin was ticked that he did not do anything wrong and may have sucker punched him and then we are where we are at.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="bluedog46, post: 3141126, member: 40208"] I once had a black conservative friend ask me and some others in a group of various sexes and races what the "main problem for the black community is". There were things like crime, some mentioned legacy of racism while saying not to excuse bad behavior because of it. Black on black crime was brought up. Lack of accountability and blaming things on racism and segregation was brought up. I actually mentioned and got some agreement on what I think is the biggest problem. I mentioned that all groups have their "bad people" among Italians its the mafia and among the Irish it was the bootleggers and often gangsters. The japanese have yakuza. The thing is all those groups will slam the worst in their community. When that dylan rolf guy shot those 9 people at the church I don't think any white politicians, entertainers, musicians or anything else tried to excuse the behavior. No one said "I dont agree with his actions but understand the frustration". It appears in my opinion and what i have seen teh black community, in general, is the only community that will defend the worst of the worst elements a amongst itself. That greatly does not help the cause. With trayvon is a prime example. In many of those police shootings you hear "They could have just shot him in the leg" no one seems to realize it often starts with bad behavior on the part of the person. Even teh case of the man shot in the back in south carolina by the police officer. Its undefensible what the officer did, but in all fairness it would not have happened had the guy not ran and struggled with the cop. We have no idea what happened before the video. If he assualted or punched the officer then there is the fleeing felon issue. Here is what i think happened with trayvon in my heart of hearts. I think Zimmerman did follow him and was concerned. Trayvon probably went up to him asking "Are you following me" or something to that effect. Words could have been exchanged, but i have a feeling Martin was ticked that he did not do anything wrong and may have sucker punched him and then we are where we are at. [/QUOTE]
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