Tulsa's new Gathering Place Park to ban guns

[dennishoddy]

We had a drinking game starting at the 0730 starting news coverage of the opening day of the Gathering Place. Every time they said diversity or inclusion we had a shot...by 0930 we were all blotto.

When you have an area called the gathering place with a major portion donated by a flaming liberal, what made you think you would stay sober?
I'm actually looking forward to visiting the place with my CC and seeing the venue. Wife will carrying hers as well, and guess what, nobody will know.

 

[Glocktogo]

According to this, it is not a private park. It was donated to the River Parks.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tu...d1865fb1-003c-5414-9fb7-eaf86857f4ca.amp.html

Yeah, the keep trying to call it a “gift park”, whatever the hell that is. I think they’re just trying to play fast and loose with the legalese. If they own the park, they’re liable for civil damages should a suit be filed. If they say it’s outright owned by the .gov or other public entity, then they have to allow concealed carry by state law.

Maybe it’s a new hybrid? A publivate park? Or is it a privblic park?

 

[HiredHand]

According to this, it is not a private park. It was donated to the River Parks.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tu...d1865fb1-003c-5414-9fb7-eaf86857f4ca.amp.html

It’s interesting that it was donated to the Parks Authority and not to the city.


4. What is the legal relationship between a municipal public trust and its beneficiary municipality?
Oklahoma municipal public trusts are created as separate legal entities from their beneficiary municipality in the form of an express trust governed by a trust indenture. State law and related court cases have held that a public trust is separate and apart from and not merged with its municipal beneficiary – see 60 O.S. § 176.1(a)(2); Woodward v. City of Anadarko, 351 P.2d 292 (OK 1960). Trusts are not considered a branch or division of the municipality, but are instead separate legal entities that have powers separate from that of the municipality. For example, because the trust is a separate legal entity from the municipality, it is not governed by the constitutional debt limitation applicable to its municipal beneficiary. In addition, many of the state laws applicable to municipalities are not expressly applicable to these municipal public trusts. Contracts and other official documents related to the trust activities are generally executed under the name of the trust, rather than in the name of the beneficiary municipality, by its trustees within the powers and limitations of the trust indenture.

Source: http://www.crawfordcpas.com/Municipalpublictrusts.pdf

 

[FrankNmac]

Regarding the escorting of 3 people with guns and permits off the property, Tulsa police said all three had open carry permits but the Gathering Place is private property.

Officials released a statement saying they want to ensure the Gathering Place is a safe place for Tulsans and guns are not allowed in the park.

"Over many years, we sought input from the Tulsa community on how to ensure Gathering Place is a safe, welcoming and inclusive environment for Tulsans and their families. The community responded emphatically that firearms at the park are not conducive to creating this kind of environment, which is why they are not permitted. Park security and the Tulsa Police Department are working together closely to ensure these rules are clearly communicated and consistently enforced."

Officials at The Gathering Place said they have a security team and policies in place so that people can feel safe when attending the new state of the art park in Tulsa.

 

[doctorjj]

Regarding the escorting of 3 people with guns and permits off the property, Tulsa police said all three had open carry permits but the Gathering Place is private property.

Officials released a statement saying they want to ensure the Gathering Place is a safe place for Tulsans and guns are not allowed in the park.

"Over many years, we sought input from the Tulsa community on how to ensure Gathering Place is a safe, welcoming and inclusive environment for Tulsans and their families. The community responded emphatically that firearms at the park are not conducive to creating this kind of environment, which is why they are not permitted. Park security and the Tulsa Police Department are working together closely to ensure these rules are clearly communicated and consistently enforced."

Officials at The Gathering Place said they have a security team and policies in place so that people can feel safe when attending the new state of the art park in Tulsa.

So glad they have policies in place. Those are so good at keeping bad guys away.

 

[tRidiot]

Sounds like a legal challenge to define public or private might be in order.

IMO, you don't get to claim you're "donating" a park to the public, with all the fanfare, hoopla, tax breaks and philanthropic publicity, while keeping it private and exclusive. Just my $0.02. It's one or the other.

Their stance is obviously that it is still private - thus, NOT a true public park.

 

[doctorjj]

Sounds like a legal challenge to define public or private might be in order.

IMO, you don't get to claim you're "donating" a park to the public, with all the fanfare, hoopla, tax breaks and philanthropic publicity, while keeping it private and exclusive. Just my $0.02. It's one or the other.

Their stance is obviously that it is still private - thus, NOT a true public park.

Exactly

 

[MacFromOK]

Does the National Park Service have anything to do with checking out stuff like this? Or is this just a City thing?

 

[Geek5625]

Sounds like a legal challenge to define public or private might be in order.

IMO, you don't get to claim you're "donating" a park to the public, with all the fanfare, hoopla, tax breaks and philanthropic publicity, while keeping it private and exclusive. Just my $0.02. It's one or the other.

Their stance is obviously that it is still private - thus, NOT a true public park.

So when will we get all the people here in Tulsa with a brain to band together and fight these stupid rules that are illegal. I have a bad feeling some day a crazy person will eventually try some crap and start shooting and not have a carrier to stop them. What's the security guard going to tell that crazy person? "Oh excuse me sir, you cannot have a firearm on this 'private property'". *BANG*

I myself will not be going to the gathering place until this B.S. is resolved (probably never will be). I feel much safer in every public place in Tulsa because I know everyone carrying has our back.

 

[dennishoddy]

Does the National Park Service have anything to do with checking out stuff like this? Or is this just a City thing?

If it were the National Park Service, you could legally CC by federal law. Our own Jim Inhofe snuck in a rider to a bill coming before congress to allow CC in National Parks. Obama was forced to sign it.