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<blockquote data-quote="NikatKimber" data-source="post: 1687914" data-attributes="member: 423"><p>I have a PF-9. Good ultra-compact "carry when you can't carry" gun, but NOT what I'd recommend for your first handgun. I realize you've shot before, but my statement stands.</p><p></p><p>For a couple reasons.</p><p>1 - they don't have the greatest longevity: where most combat guns will <strong><em>easily</em></strong> go to 10k + rounds, the consensus is that the PF-9 will NOT. As in, a couple thousand rounds is reasonable before expecting major parts replacement.</p><p></p><p>2 - they are hard to shoot well. This is a gun you move to *after* you've become proficient in shooting. This is not due solely to recoil, the trigger is positively awful and difficult at best to master.</p><p></p><p>3 - recoil. I know I know, we're men and manly things like recoil are punishments we should gladly suffer. But I am not particularly recoil sensitive, and a few mags per range trip is about all I can handle before my hand becomes sore and tired.</p><p></p><p>I only mention all this, because at its price it is tempting; and it serves its purpose well. Also, these are points you should consider for any gun you are looking at buying for what is for now going to be your sole handgun. </p><p></p><p>Besides just reliable and reasonably accurate, you want to be able to shoot it *a lot* without fear of wearing the gun out, or fear of generating bad habits. Recoil and tired hands do have the tendency to do that.</p><p></p><p>As far as being able to carry the gun, the width and grip length are the primary factors in concealability. And for what it's worth, I can carry a Glock 19 or 1911 under a loose T-shirt. I'm 6'-1" and 190, so by no means a large person.</p><p></p><p>As I mentioned in my first post in this thread, the Kahr CW9 (or P9, same size) is about the smallest and lightest I would recommend for a primary gun; <em>especially</em> if it's your first.</p><p></p><p>Kahr also offers the K9, which is a steel framed gun. This adds significantly to the weight, but that makes it more pleasant to shoot. In a similar size category is the S&W 3913, though no longer in production. The Sig P239 is a very reliable easy shooting single stack pistol that is a little larger.</p><p></p><p>In the double stack guns, the S&W M&P 9 is a good gun that may fit your hand. The Ruger SR9 is also very thin for a double stack, and comes in both full size and compact models.</p><p></p><p>Of course, the 1911 is always there. With thin grips, it is pretty slim. In 9mm flavor with steel frame, recoil is very mild. And since the whole gun is pretty much as thin or thinner than the grips, it is quite easy to conceal.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="NikatKimber, post: 1687914, member: 423"] I have a PF-9. Good ultra-compact "carry when you can't carry" gun, but NOT what I'd recommend for your first handgun. I realize you've shot before, but my statement stands. For a couple reasons. 1 - they don't have the greatest longevity: where most combat guns will [B][I]easily[/I][/B] go to 10k + rounds, the consensus is that the PF-9 will NOT. As in, a couple thousand rounds is reasonable before expecting major parts replacement. 2 - they are hard to shoot well. This is a gun you move to *after* you've become proficient in shooting. This is not due solely to recoil, the trigger is positively awful and difficult at best to master. 3 - recoil. I know I know, we're men and manly things like recoil are punishments we should gladly suffer. But I am not particularly recoil sensitive, and a few mags per range trip is about all I can handle before my hand becomes sore and tired. I only mention all this, because at its price it is tempting; and it serves its purpose well. Also, these are points you should consider for any gun you are looking at buying for what is for now going to be your sole handgun. Besides just reliable and reasonably accurate, you want to be able to shoot it *a lot* without fear of wearing the gun out, or fear of generating bad habits. Recoil and tired hands do have the tendency to do that. As far as being able to carry the gun, the width and grip length are the primary factors in concealability. And for what it's worth, I can carry a Glock 19 or 1911 under a loose T-shirt. I'm 6'-1" and 190, so by no means a large person. As I mentioned in my first post in this thread, the Kahr CW9 (or P9, same size) is about the smallest and lightest I would recommend for a primary gun; [I]especially[/I] if it's your first. Kahr also offers the K9, which is a steel framed gun. This adds significantly to the weight, but that makes it more pleasant to shoot. In a similar size category is the S&W 3913, though no longer in production. The Sig P239 is a very reliable easy shooting single stack pistol that is a little larger. In the double stack guns, the S&W M&P 9 is a good gun that may fit your hand. The Ruger SR9 is also very thin for a double stack, and comes in both full size and compact models. Of course, the 1911 is always there. With thin grips, it is pretty slim. In 9mm flavor with steel frame, recoil is very mild. And since the whole gun is pretty much as thin or thinner than the grips, it is quite easy to conceal. [/QUOTE]
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