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My personal opinion is that we’re done as a major world power. I’m not a bible scholar, but I’ve sat through enough sermons on Revelation to know that America isn’t even mentioned in end times events.
 

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Empires rise, become soft & stagnant, then decline. It's inevitable, as no empire in human history has remained ascendant indefinitely. America is not immune from history and what we're witnessing is just proof of that.

We had a good run, but that's almost over now. Hard times are ahead, and there's no social or political will to do the hard things necessary to extend our reign.
"War is when your government tells you who the enemy is. A revolution is when you figure it out yourself." --Unknown

"A great civilization is not conquered from without, until it has destroyed itself from within. The essential causes of Rome's decline lay in her people, her morals, her class struggle, her failing trade, her bureaucratic despotism, her stifling taxes, her consuming wars." Will Durant

"The Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex of order and freedom, culture and peace, can at any moment be overthrown by barbarians invading from without or multiplying within. " ~ Will Durant

"So I should say that civilizations begin with religion and stoicism: they end with skepticism and unbelief, and the undisciplined pursuit of individual pleasure. A civilization is born stoic and dies epicurean." ~ Will Durant

"History is always repeating itself, but each time the price goes up." ~ Will Durant

"In progressive societies the concentration [of wealth] may reach a point where the strength of number in the many poor rivals the strength of ability in the few rich; then the unstable equilibrium generates a critical situation, which history has diversely met by legislation redistributing wealth or by revolution distributing poverty." ~ Will Durant

"The only real revolution is in the enlightenment of the mind and the improvement of character, the only real emancipation is individual, and the only real revolutionists are philosophers and saints." ~ Will Durant

"Freedom and equality are natural born enemies." ~ Will Durant
 

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My personal opinion is that we’re done as a major world power. I’m not a bible scholar..........

I think you're right, and for a reason. "It's history, and those who ignore history are doomed ...................."

"Government was not to be run by whatever the majority wanted but instead by principle, specifically the principles of the Bible. Our U.S. Constitution was founded on Biblical principles and it was the intention of the authors for this to be a Christian nation. The Constitution had 55 people work upon it, of which 52 were evangelical Christians." M.E. Bradford, A Worthy Company: Brief Lives of the Framers of the United States Constitution (Marlborough, N.H.: Plymouth Rock Foundation, 1982), p. 4-5.

Two college professors, Donald Lutz and Charles Hyneman, researched the source of ideas of our Founding Fathers based upon extant writings. They reviewed an estimated 15,000 items with explicit political content printed between 1760 and 1805 and from these items they identified 3,154 references to other sources. The source they most often quoted was the Bible, accounting for 34% of all citations. Sixty percent of all quotes came from men who used the Bible to form their conclusions. That means that 94% of all quotes by the founding fathers were based on the Bible. The founding fathers took ideas from the Bible and incorporated them into our government.

This is why Biblical morality was taught in public schools until the early 1960's. Government officials were required to declare their belief in God even to be allowed to hold a public office until a case in the U.S. Supreme Court called Torcaso v. Watkins (Oct. 1960). God was seen as the author of natural law and morality. If one did not believe in God one could not operate from a proper moral base. And by not having a foundation from which to work, one would destroy the community.

America's Christian faith is a) what made us great and b) why God through Christ blessed us more than any other people in history.

This observation has been observed by others, for example: Ambassador to U.N, Charles Malik (circa 1970s): “The good in the United States would never have come into being without the blessing and the power of Jesus Christ….I know how embarrassing this matter is to politicians, bureaucrats, businessmen and cynics: but whatever these honored men think, the irrefutable truth is that the soul of America is at its best and highest, Christian.”

In the 60s, our Christianity started being displaced by an ancient philosophy, humanism. If any of you are interested in that self-destructive ideology and its effect upon civilization, I recommend Francis Schaeffer's "How Should We Then Live." Dr. Schaeffer leans heavily upon humanism's effect upon the evolution of art, but is an outstanding work.

Humanism displaces Christianity. Humanism makes each man his own god. Do any of you remember the 60s? That became our anthem. Remember the song, "It's your thing. Do what you want to do." That's humanism. And it fails every time. And it's failed us.

During France’s Reign of Terror, France was declared to be a nation of atheists by the National Assembly. They outlawed religion and the Bible and declared their gods to be liberty and reason. Chaos ensued. One million Frenchmen were ultimately murdered and destruction was inevitable. Robespierre then proclaimed in the Convention that belief in the existence of God was necessary to the principles of virtue and morality on which the Republic was founded. And on the 7th of May, the national representatives voted by acclamation that “the French people acknowledged the existence of the Supreme Being and the immortality of the soul.

One of several historical examples that man following his own moral compass doesn't work. Man needs Christian absolutes to survive.

We had our run and now it appears to be over. Barring some intervention by God, if you know your Bible history, it appears that Western Civilization (which, ostensibly, began on a Christian foundation) is falling to the exact same ethnicity of people that God used to punish, first, the Northern Kingdom of Israel and, second, the Southern Kingdom of Judah, viz. the descendants of Ishmael.

Dan 4:17: the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.

Here's a link to further elaborate on this topic: Is America in a Fourth Turning?
 
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Anybody the quotes Will Durant is worth knowing.

We can deconstruct like a bunch of Postmoderns and we can find plenty of forks in the road, plenty of blame to go around - but the press talking about polarization is like the Munchhausen mother talking about her little sick daughter.
 

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There's only one way that the US comes out of this crap, remotely, looking like America. I'm coming to the realization that our country is done. I do not believe there are enough patriots willing to fight for it. Plenty of blow hard keyboard Commandos willing to spout of at the mouth though, but that doesn't win a war
There are a few ways, most of us patriot are law abiding citizens and thugs the mayhem required to correct it now is likely off the table (in reality the vast majority of the conservatives are aging out of the battle we are in out late 40’s or in our 80’s like @dennishoddy :laugh6: . I have 3 kids that are all conservative in the 20’s but that is a very small group nationally.

But even if we were all still in our 20’s or 30’s we are generally conscientious about following the laws that is just how we were built, murder and mayhem just isn‘t in our makeup.

So as it stands to day, I think the best thing that could happen is a hostile Alien Invasion that effects the globe ….or and AI takeover (Skynet style) this oddly enough is the more likely of the two. I’d ather go out fighting the Terminator or aliens rather than socialist jackboots.
 

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There are a few ways, most of us patriot are law abiding citizens and thugs the mayhem required to correct it now is likely off the table (in reality the vast majority of the conservatives are aging out of the battle we are in out late 40’s or in our 80’s like @dennishoddy :laugh6: . I have 3 kids that are all conservative in the 20’s but that is a very small group nationally.

But even if we were all still in our 20’s or 30’s we are generally conscientious about following the laws that is just how we were built, murder and mayhem just isn‘t in our makeup.

So as it stands to day, I think the best thing that could happen is a hostile Alien Invasion that effects the globe ….or and AI takeover (Skynet style) this oddly enough is the more likely of the two. I’d ather go out fighting the Terminator or aliens rather than socialist jackboots.
Hey! I’m WAY under 80! 😂
 

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