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<blockquote data-quote="henschman" data-source="post: 1832983" data-attributes="member: 4235"><p>Actually, none of the Supreme Court's 4th Amendment jurisprudence requires a cop to tell you ANYTHING about why he is performing a search or seizure... hell, even if he has has a warrant, there is nothing REQUIRING him to show it to you... like Michael said, Probable Cause, Reasonable Suspicion, and Warrants are all about justifying the action after the fact to a judge; not justifying the action to you at the scene. However, I imagine most cops would give you some sort of justification if you ask them, even if it is something vague (the one in this video said something about "a public safety issue"). The bottom line is that if they demand to search you or that you surrender your gun to them, you should do like the guy in the video did, and tell them in no uncertain terms that you do NOT consent to the search or seizure, but you should still comply with their demands. You do not give up any of your rights by complying with a demand. Then, like I said, you can worry about what to do about the rights violation afterwards.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="henschman, post: 1832983, member: 4235"] Actually, none of the Supreme Court's 4th Amendment jurisprudence requires a cop to tell you ANYTHING about why he is performing a search or seizure... hell, even if he has has a warrant, there is nothing REQUIRING him to show it to you... like Michael said, Probable Cause, Reasonable Suspicion, and Warrants are all about justifying the action after the fact to a judge; not justifying the action to you at the scene. However, I imagine most cops would give you some sort of justification if you ask them, even if it is something vague (the one in this video said something about "a public safety issue"). The bottom line is that if they demand to search you or that you surrender your gun to them, you should do like the guy in the video did, and tell them in no uncertain terms that you do NOT consent to the search or seizure, but you should still comply with their demands. You do not give up any of your rights by complying with a demand. Then, like I said, you can worry about what to do about the rights violation afterwards. [/QUOTE]
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