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<blockquote data-quote="tRidiot" data-source="post: 2311824" data-attributes="member: 9374"><p>I understand the emotions and feelings behind your sentiments. And to a large part often agree or even surpass them, perhaps, depending upon how much of it I've had to put up with it in one day.</p><p></p><p>However... here is one of my points - I understand that the ones who are intentionally gaming the system are going to piss everybody off, and you're not going to find anyone willing to defend those who are really milking things with the express intention of defrauding the government and the American taxpayer.</p><p></p><p>But - some people, regardless of how they ended up there, do have real medical problems. For instance, scenario 4, the self-abuse has led to severe and persistent real, measurable, quantifiable and repeatable results. So the problems DO exist... it's not simply a complaint of "pain" or "anxiety", as so many have in the system. So... the question is, does it matter how you got there, or does it simply matter if the problem exists? If you have horrible CHF and COPD, and absolutely CANNOT function in society, do you or should you qualify, regardless of how it happened? I mean.... does abusing your body with drugs and alcohol as a younger person disqualify one from later help? And if so, does the same apply to McDonald's cheeseburgers and Marlboro Lights?</p><p></p><p>Do we, as a society, get to pay for your bad decisions, even though you KNEW beyond a SHADOW of a doubt that those decisions would eventually catch up to you, you just did not care?</p><p></p><p>Or is it simply a matter of taking care of people who are sick, regardless of how it happened?</p><p></p><p>I'm asking real questions... not pointing fingers, not placing blame... everyone knows we are all to blame for our own health issues in at least some small ways in the choices we make every day. But we have to stop and think... those choices don't just affect US as individuals. They affect our collective group as a whole (American taxpayers).</p><p></p><p>Not saying there is an easy solution, as of course there is not. Obviously what we do need to do is instill a work ethic, a realistic outlook and acceptance, and a sense of self-pride in our general population. And at the same time, we need to find some way to evaluate those who CAN hold a job (maybe of a different type than the one they are used to) and direct them down that path - in a tough-love manner, if need be. Sorry you can't do this any more, maybe we can help you find a way to retrain to do something else that will be both fulfilling and contributory to society as a whole. Amiright?</p><p></p><p>How do we do this, folks? Everyone's bitching about Obamacare... but I guarantee you we can trim enough off of disability to pay for that and more, if we could find a way to achieve those goals.</p><p></p><p>Just my $0.02.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tRidiot, post: 2311824, member: 9374"] I understand the emotions and feelings behind your sentiments. And to a large part often agree or even surpass them, perhaps, depending upon how much of it I've had to put up with it in one day. However... here is one of my points - I understand that the ones who are intentionally gaming the system are going to piss everybody off, and you're not going to find anyone willing to defend those who are really milking things with the express intention of defrauding the government and the American taxpayer. But - some people, regardless of how they ended up there, do have real medical problems. For instance, scenario 4, the self-abuse has led to severe and persistent real, measurable, quantifiable and repeatable results. So the problems DO exist... it's not simply a complaint of "pain" or "anxiety", as so many have in the system. So... the question is, does it matter how you got there, or does it simply matter if the problem exists? If you have horrible CHF and COPD, and absolutely CANNOT function in society, do you or should you qualify, regardless of how it happened? I mean.... does abusing your body with drugs and alcohol as a younger person disqualify one from later help? And if so, does the same apply to McDonald's cheeseburgers and Marlboro Lights? Do we, as a society, get to pay for your bad decisions, even though you KNEW beyond a SHADOW of a doubt that those decisions would eventually catch up to you, you just did not care? Or is it simply a matter of taking care of people who are sick, regardless of how it happened? I'm asking real questions... not pointing fingers, not placing blame... everyone knows we are all to blame for our own health issues in at least some small ways in the choices we make every day. But we have to stop and think... those choices don't just affect US as individuals. They affect our collective group as a whole (American taxpayers). Not saying there is an easy solution, as of course there is not. Obviously what we do need to do is instill a work ethic, a realistic outlook and acceptance, and a sense of self-pride in our general population. And at the same time, we need to find some way to evaluate those who CAN hold a job (maybe of a different type than the one they are used to) and direct them down that path - in a tough-love manner, if need be. Sorry you can't do this any more, maybe we can help you find a way to retrain to do something else that will be both fulfilling and contributory to society as a whole. Amiright? How do we do this, folks? Everyone's bitching about Obamacare... but I guarantee you we can trim enough off of disability to pay for that and more, if we could find a way to achieve those goals. Just my $0.02. [/QUOTE]
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