When have they been civil?

[dennishoddy]

I guess we can add Eric Holder (yeah, like that's unusual) to the list of Dems being Dems. He says that when they (Republicans) go low, we kick them.

Eric Holder's Rallying Cry for Democrats

Of course, he backs up slightly to say that they shouldn't do anything "illegal," but who in the Antifi is doing everything legal.

Yet Moochel obama says when they go low, we go high.
Can somebody tell me when that has happened?

 

[John6185]

Apparently we've got our own Brownshirts and it's condoned by the party. If they can only get their way they'll be civil.....sure they will!

 

[Dale00]

It is a situation that bears watching. Portland has right wing loons and left wing loons that seem to enjoy fighting each other.

There is a "danger" in relying too much on the magnifying lens of news media coverage to form our view of the situation. As far as I know this is not occurring in say...Austin. If it does then I'll ramp up my concern a notch or two. Otherwise I try to stay out of the internet drama web. Probably the best thing any of us can do is try to promote good relations with neighbors and civil discourse with those who hold opposing views.....so yes, HRC's rant, Holden's rant etc. and those who support such vile rhetoric are major embarrassments.

....ok so it is happening in Austin if the media coverage is accurate and representative. Hopefully just in reaction to the SCOTUS appointment and it will die down.....We need to see laws enforced and justice upheld for assault cases. IF that's not happening we have a systemic problem.

 

[Glocktogo]

It is a situation that bears watching. Portland has right wing loons and left wing loons that seem to enjoy fighting each other.

There is a "danger" in relying too much on the magnifying lens of news media coverage to form our view of the situation. As far as I know this is not occurring in say...Austin. If it does then I'll ramp up my concern a notch or two. Otherwise I try to stay out of the internet drama web. Probably the best thing any of us can do is try to promote good relations with neighbors and civil discourse with those who hold opposing views.....so yes, HRC's rant, Holden's rant etc. and those who support such vile rhetoric are major embarrassments.

Saw one on the news yesterday where a pickup was torched in a parking lot in Portland, allegedly because it had Trump stickers on it. Now we have Eric Holder saying "When they go low, we kick them." Yeah, Eric "I sold guns to drug cartels" Himpton "I spied on journalists" Holder. He'd need an awfully big ladder just to reach up to "low".

 

[Dale00]

Results of this new 8,000 respondent survey, probably offers a much better picture of the state of current affairs than the blood-pressure raising videos of thugs attacking people at protests. The out of power Dem's and their pro "aggression" comments are way out of synch.

Love your neighbors and be of good cheer; the core appears to be holding.

...Among the general population, a full 80 percent believe that “political correctness is a problem in our country.” Even young people are uncomfortable with it, including 74 percent ages 24 to 29, and 79 percent under age 24. On this particular issue, the woke are in a clear minority across all ages.

Youth isn’t a good proxy for support of political correctness—and it turns out race isn’t, either.

Whites are ever so slightly less likely than average to believe that political correctness is a problem in the country: 79 percent of them share this sentiment. Instead, it is Asians (82 percent), Hispanics (87percent), and American Indians (88 percent) who are most likely to oppose political correctness. As one 40-year-old American Indian in Oklahoma said in his focus group, according to the report:

It seems like everyday you wake up something has changed … Do you say Jew? Or Jewish? Is it a black guy? African-American? … You are on your toes because you never know what to say. So political correctness in that sense is scary.

The one part of the standard narrative that the data partially affirm is that African Americans are most likely to support political correctness. But the difference between them and other groups is much smaller than generally supposed: Three quarters of African Americans oppose political correctness. This means that they are only four percentage points less likely than whites, and only five percentage points less likely than the average, to believe that political correctness is a problem.

If age and race do not predict support for political correctness, what does? Income and education.

While 83 percent of respondents who make less than $50,000 dislike political correctness, just 70 percent of those who make more than $100,000 are skeptical about it. And while 87 percent who have never attended college think that political correctness has grown to be a problem, only 66 percent of those with a postgraduate degree share that sentiment.

Political tribe—as defined by the authors—is an even better predictor of views on political correctness. Among devoted conservatives, 97 percent believe that political correctness is a problem. Among traditional liberals, 61 percent do. Progressive activists are the only group that strongly backs political correctness: Only 30 percent see it as a problem.

So what does this group look like? Compared with the rest of the (nationally representative) polling sample, progressive activists are much more likely to be rich, highly educated—and white. They are nearly twice as likely as the average to make more than $100,000 a year. They are nearly three times as likely to have a postgraduate degree. And while 12 percent of the overall sample in the study is African American, only 3 percent of progressive activists are. With the exception of the small tribe of devoted conservatives, progressive activists are the most racially homogeneous group in the country.

One obvious question is what people mean by “political correctness.” In the extended interviews and focus groups, participants made clear that they were concerned about their day-to-day ability to express themselves: They worry that a lack of familiarity with a topic, or an unthinking word choice, could lead to serious social sanctions for them. But since the survey question did not define political correctness for respondents, we cannot be sure what, exactly, the 80 percent of Americans who regard it as a problem have in mind.

There is, however, plenty of additional support for the idea that the social views of most Americans are not nearly as neatly divided by age or race as is commonly believed. According to the Pew Research Center, for example, only 26 percent of black Americans consider themselves liberal. And in the More in Common study, nearly half of Latinos argued that “many people nowadays are too sensitive to how Muslims are treated,” while two in five African Americans agreed that “immigration nowadays is bad for America.”

In the days before “Hidden Tribes” was published, I ran a little experiment on Twitter, asking my followers to guess what percentage of Americans believe that political correctness is a problem in this country. The results were striking: Nearly all of my followers underestimated the extent to which most Americans reject political correctness. Only 6 percent gave the right answer. (When I asked them how people of color regard political correctness, their guesses were, unsurprisingly, even more wildly off.)

Obviously, my followers on Twitter are not a representative sample of America. But as their largely supportive feelings about political correctness indicate, they are probably a decent approximation for a particular intellectual milieu to which I also belong: politically engaged, highly educated, left-leaning Americans—the kinds of people, in other words, who are in charge of universities, edit the nation’s most important newspapers and magazines, and advise Democratic political candidates on their campaigns.

So the fact that we are so widely off the mark in our perception of how most people feel about political correctness should probably also make us rethink some of our other basic assumptions about the country.

It is obvious that certain elements on the right mock instances in which political correctness goes awry in order to win the license to spew outright racial hatred. And it is understandable that, in the eyes of some progressives, this makes anybody who dares to criticize political correctness a witting tool of—or a useful idiot for—the right. But that’s not fair to the Americans who feel deeply alienated by woke culture. Indeed, while 80 percent of Americans believe that political correctness has become a problem in the country, even more, 82 percent, believe that hate speech is also a problem.

It turns out that while progressive activists tend to think that only hate speech is a problem, and devoted conservatives tend to think that only political correctness is a problem, a clear majority of all Americans holds a more nuanced point of view: They abhor racism. But they don’t think that the way we now practice political correctness represents a promising way to overcome racial injustice.

The study should also make progressives more self-critical about the way in which speech norms serve as a marker of social distinction. I don’t doubt the sincerity of the affluent and highly educated people who call others out if they use “problematic” terms or perpetrate an act of “cultural appropriation.” But what the vast majority of Americans seem to see—at least according to the research conducted for “Hidden Tribes”—is not so much genuine concern for social justice as the preening display of cultural superiority.

For the millions upon millions of Americans of all ages and all races who do not follow politics with rapt attention, and who are much more worried about paying their rent than about debating the prom dress worn by a teenager in Utah, contemporary callout culture merely looks like an excuse to mock the values or ignorance of others. As one 57- year-old woman in Mississippi fretted:

The way you have to term everything just right. And if you don’t term it right you discriminate them. It’s like everybody is going to be in the know of what people call themselves now and some of us just don’t know. But if you don’t know then there is something seriously wrong with you.

The gap between the progressive perception and the reality of public views on this issue could do damage to the institutions that the woke elite collectively run. A publication whose editors think they represent the views of a majority of Americans when they actually speak to a small minority of the country may eventually see its influence wane and its readership decline. And a political candidate who believes she is speaking for half of the population when she is actually voicing the opinions of one-fifth is likely to lose the next election.

In a democracy, it is difficult to win fellow citizens over to your own side, or to build public support to remedy injustices that remain all too real, when you fundamentally misunderstand how they see the world.

Yascha Mounk is a lecturer on government at Harvard and the author of The People vs. Democracy: Why Our Freedom Is in Danger and How to Save It.

https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/572581/?__twitter_impression=true

 

[okierider]

@Dale00 , This is so true, most of America is making ends meet and living. This any means necessary that the politicians are doing right now needs to stop before the idiots following the ass hats blindly, do something catastrophically stupid!! The shooting in the ball park was getting to close.

 

[RickN]

It is a situation that bears watching. Portland has right wing loons and left wing loons that seem to enjoy fighting each other.

There is a "danger" in relying too much on the magnifying lens of news media coverage to form our view of the situation. As far as I know this is not occurring in say...Austin. If it does then I'll ramp up my concern a notch or two. Otherwise I try to stay out of the internet drama web. Probably the best thing any of us can do is try to promote good relations with neighbors and civil discourse with those who hold opposing views.....so yes, HRC's rant, Holden's rant etc. and those who support such vile rhetoric are major embarrassments.

....ok so it is happening in Austin if the media coverage is accurate and representative. Hopefully just in reaction to the SCOTUS appointment and it will die down.....We need to see laws enforced and justice upheld for assault cases. IF that's not happening we have a systemic problem.

According to reports I have seen it is also happening in Seattle, Berkley and other left wing strong holds.

 

[okietool]

other left wing strong holds.

yeah look what they did to Mike Stoops.

 

[Billybob]

It is a situation that bears watching. Portland has right wing loons and left wing loons that seem to enjoy fighting each other.

There is a "danger" in relying too much on the magnifying lens of news media coverage to form our view of the situation. As far as I know this is not occurring in say...Austin. If it does then I'll ramp up my concern a notch or two. Otherwise I try to stay out of the internet drama web. Probably the best thing any of us can do is try to promote good relations with neighbors and civil discourse with those who hold opposing views.....so yes, HRC's rant, Holden's rant etc. and those who support such vile rhetoric are major embarrassments.

....ok so it is happening in Austin if the media coverage is accurate and representative. Hopefully just in reaction to the SCOTUS appointment and it will die down.....We need to see laws enforced and justice upheld for assault cases. IF that's not happening we have a systemic problem.

In all fairness it must be admitted that this stuff started long before Kavenagh, it started with the opposition to Trump justified by the allegations that all Trump supporters, and by extension all conservatives and republicans were racist homophobic misogynistic nazis.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...e-rally/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.b4379bc2160b

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...at-albuquerque-police/?utm_term=.0f74078cf61f

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...mp-rally-turn-violent/?utm_term=.24c48398771b

As for a systemic problem considering how much violence there's been without many arrest, the Eric Clanton Antifa ‘professor’ case and the apparent existence of stand down orders in Charlottesville and San Jose along with Portland seem to show there may well be some type of systemic problem.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2018/...rof-who-beat-7-people-over-the-head-received/

https://thefreethoughtproject.com/confirmed-police-told-stand-charlottesville/

http://www.projectrepublictoday.com...o-stand-down-and-let-trump-supporters-suffer/

It certainly seems it's only accelerated since Trump's election to the point we're now at...

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/markme...-now-openly-carrying-weapons-communist-flags/

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...ts-seattle-antifa-dox-ice-agents-over-twitter

http://www.terrorism.news/2018-10-1...l-for-violent-revolution-in-austin-texas.html

This article makes one wonder why things about antifa and the radical left were kept under raps

FBI, Homeland Security warn of more ‘antifa’ attacks
https://www.politico.com/story/2017...v25UQ0NfsOcf3y27l7eEW7YYesIpPSm4rI6jcDZBbAoN4

 

[dennishoddy]

FBI, Homeland Security warn of more ‘antifa’ attacks
https://www.politico.com/story/2017...v25UQ0NfsOcf3y27l7eEW7YYesIpPSm4rI6jcDZBbAoN4

Federal authorities have been warning state and local officials since early 2016 that leftist extremists known as “antifa” had become increasingly confrontational and dangerous, so much so that the Department of Homeland Security formally classified their activities as “domestic terrorist violence,” according to interviews and confidential law enforcement documents obtained by POLITICO.


If they are domestic terrorists, why in the hell has not the federal gubberment got involved and shut this down?