When Islam infiltrates the US

[Snake]

You have to start somewhere. I think a ban/vetting process is a good start.

 

[Snake]

You don't see this crap in Japan or Russia....

 

[tRidiot]

Remember, the ban is/was proposed as a temporary measure to allow us to get some processes for proper vetting put into place, it's not an all-out permaban - like some of us have received from various fora over the years.

 

[sanjuro893]

I don't think this will do anything to reduce terrorism in this country. We've seen that banning guns doesn't work, banning alcohol and weed hasn't worked, how is a temporary ban on a few select countries going to keep terrorists out when most of this forum complains that we can't even keep Mexicans out and the majority of terrorism in this country is carried out by people who are born here? It's a juvenile plan written on the back of a bar napkin.

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

Still waiting. You promised me an answer on HOMEGROWN TERRORISM.


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The terrorism occurring here in the US is not home grown. Some of the terrorists are, but not terrorism.

If no more terrorists are admitted, the number here will diminish through attrition. Anyone who visits a country that suborns terrorism should not be allowed to return. Armed citizens can deal with active terrorists shooters. Accept the fact that the terrorists don't hate us; they simply follow the Koran and sharia law.

The only thing that will end Islamic war on the non-believers is the return of Muhammad telling Muslims to quit what they re doing.

As far as 'accepting' refugees, no more refugees ought to be admitted into this country until we have enough refugee camps to hold them regardless of wherever or whatever they seek refuge from, and send them back when the danger to their life is minimal. If they wanted to fit into our society, they'd have applied for admittance before they 'felt the need' to run to the west to escape. Not staying to fix their own country is suspect.

Woody

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

I don't think this will do anything to reduce terrorism in this country. We've seen that banning guns doesn't work, banning alcohol and weed hasn't worked, how is a temporary ban on a few select countries going to keep terrorists out when most of this forum complains that we can't even keep Mexicans out and the majority of terrorism in this country is carried out by people who are born here? It's a juvenile plan written on the back of a bar napkin.

It's not that we can't keep Mexicans from illegally coming in or kicking out those illegals already here. It's that we haven't, don't, and won't.

Just because, as you claim, that most of the terrorists are born here doesn't mean we shouldn't bother trying to keep foreign terrorists out. Even if it is two homegrown to one foreign terrorists, that is one third fewer potential acts of terror. Are you willing to accept the blame for the carnage of one third of the acts of terror occurring here because you saw keeping out those terrorists as an act of futility? Keep them out. That's fewer terrorists we need to deal with. That's more resources we can utilize to deal with what is left.

Woody

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

Thomas Jefferson had a problem with it.

... And dealt with it accordingly.

Woody

 

[sanjuro893]

The terrorism occurring here in the US is not home grown. Some of the terrorists are, but not terrorism.

If no more terrorists are admitted, the number here will diminish through attrition. Anyone who visits a country that suborns terrorism should not be allowed to return. Armed citizens can deal with active terrorists shooters. Accept the fact that the terrorists don't hate us; they simply follow the Koran and sharia law.

The only thing that will end Islamic war on the non-believers is the return of Muhammad telling Muslims to quit what they re doing.

As far as 'accepting' refugees, no more refugees ought to be admitted into this country until we have enough refugee camps to hold them regardless of wherever or whatever they seek refuge from, and send them back when the danger to their life is minimal. If they wanted to fit into our society, they'd have applied for admittance before they 'felt the need' to run to the west to escape. Not staying to fix their own country is suspect.

Woody

That doesn't even make any sense. If the majority of people causing terrorism are born here, then so is the terrorism they cause.

And they're PERVERTING their own book, selectively choosing certain things out of it to fit THEIR worldview instead of training their worldview to align with the book just like many Christians do, sadly.

I do see what you're saying about keeping out the one third or so, (actually, it's less than 20% according to FBI and State dept) but I doubt if we see a reduction in terror with the 7 (or however many) countries Trump picked. If you're going to be concerned about foreign terrorists, at least be concerned about the countries they're ACTUALLY coming from, like Saudi. and that's my whole point: whoever came up with this idea either did it half-ass or completely botched it on purpose as a "feel-good" measure. I highly doubt it'll be effective at all.

 

[sanjuro893]

Here's a CATO institute report on looking at foreign born terrorists in perspective. As I said earlier, we still base everything off of 9/11 because 90 something percent of deaths stemmed from that one attack. If we're going to fight terrorism properly and actually reduce it, we need to look at it from a different view. 9/11 was 16 years ago and the methods we've been using to protect ourselves are outdated if we're still focused primarily on foreign actors.
https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/truth-about-foreign-born-domestic-terrorists

 

[Dave70968]

The terrorism occurring here in the US is not home grown. Some of the terrorists are, but not terrorism.

If no more terrorists are admitted, the number here will diminish through attrition.

I disagree entirely. Unless you can shut off all forms of news and other communications, people--even those born here--are to get pissed off when we drone-kill children in far-off lands.

Anyone who visits a country that suborns terrorism should not be allowed to return.

Trump visited Saudi Arabia, "arguably ... the most prolific sponsor of international Islamist terrorism, allegedly supporting groups as disparate as the Afghanistan Taliban, Al Qaeda, Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) and the Al-Nusra Front.[96]" (source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#Saudi_Arabia). Going to keep him out?

The law is pretty clear that you can't deny a US citizen reentry into the US.