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<blockquote data-quote="druryj" data-source="post: 3104731" data-attributes="member: 10465"><p>Nice PPK/S. I would post this, including the pics, on the Walther Forum; in particular in the section about the PP series pistols. There are some real experts out there with a wealth of knowledge on the various incarnations of the PP, PPK and PPK/S guns. Now, I have had several of these, and I do know quite a bit about them, but my knowledge is not 100% ...so, take all I have to say for what it's worth... it's basically my learned opinion. I have a beautiful PPK/S in stainless made by Interarms (Ranger ) from 1995 that I bought new and had engraved some, it now sits in a small safe at my Daughter's house, to be given to my youngest Grandson when he is old enough. The one you show here, I am almost certain, is a model actually made by the Ranger Manufacturing Co, in Gadsden, Alabama <u>for</u> Interarms. You are correct in that it dates from when Interarms basically went defunct following the death of the man behind it in 1998, Sam Cummings (<a href="https://unblinkingeye.com/Guns/Interarms/interarms.html" target="_blank">https://unblinkingeye.com/Guns/Interarms/interarms.html</a>) and S&W took over production of these under license from Walther Arms in Germany. See, when the transition was taking place, there was quite a bit of inventory and parts that moved over to possession and ownership of and by S&W. What you have is actually an Interarms pistol, made by Ranger in the mid to late 90's , and acquired by S&W and then subsequently assembled by S&W people in Springfield. They are very good pistols, as Interarms (and thus Ranger, who actually machined the parts and made the guns for Interarms) did follow Herr Walther's original design. Shortly thereafter, S&W took it upon themselves to make some changes to Walther's original design, most noticeably, an extension of the beavertail, in a sad effort to remedy what is known as "Walther bite". Many is the shooter, who, hoping to emulate 007 himself, painfully discovered exactly what that is as the slide of the little PP series pistols would slice a nice little groove in the flesh between one's thumb and forefinger. It was not a design flaw of the gun itself, (so say the purists) but a fault in the way the shooter gripped the pistol. You have to hold it like you mean it and be aware as to the location of your grip or you to, will discover the Walther's bite. S&W, in my opinion and the opinion of many others, <em>ruined</em> the classic lines of the gun by adding that horrendously ugly tang extension. Another change they made was to remove the "jump" between feed ramp and chamber, in an effort to make the gun feed modern HP ammo better. The Walther PP design dates from 1929, and was <em>never intended</em> to feed HP ammo; it wasn't even around then. This particular pistol should only be fed 95 gr round nose ball ammo. Most will function very well with Fiocchi 95 gr, as European ammo tends to run a bit hotter than US made ammo like Remington, or S&W. The S&W flat nose 95 gr FMJ is hit or miss in these pistols, and I would <em>never</em> carry it as a serious self defense round. Now, I haven't carried my PPK/S in a few years as a CCW weapon, but back when I did, it ran on Fiocchi 95 gr round nose FMJ, and it was incredibly accurate and reliable. It is not my first or even second choice today, as there are far better guns and ammo available now. As a matter of fact, the originals were actually designed around .32 ACP and the .380 ACP versions came quite a bit later. But I digress...your pistol looks to be in good condition. Given it appears that you have the box and two mags, I'd value it at between $450 - $550. I would have to look at it closer to be more sure, but that's a fairly accurate ballpark number. Hope this helps.</p><p></p><p>(P.S. Walther Arms in Ft Smith, AR, now makes several Walther branded guns for the company now. But Umarex, who makes airsoft and BB guns, bought out Walther in Germany several years ago, and several of their pistols <em>may say</em> "Walther" on them, but they are still in reality, Umarex junk. Stick with real Walthers, like the PPS and the PPQ and you are okay, the others, I wouldn't disgrace my safe with the crap. In fact, the folks in Ft Smith are making (or were anyway) the PPK/S again, but using the S&W model...if you call them, you will probably be told that there is some "licensing hang-up" between them and "Germany" preventing them fro shipping the guns to dealers in the USA for now. And since they have decided to deviate from Herr Walther's design, in favor of the unbelievably ugly version of S&W, they can keep the ugly azz things for all I care.</p><p></p><p>By the way, here’s mine, with a vintage (and real)Allessi Pancake holster Lou Allessi himself made:</p><p><img src="https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180413/c41cb9a03bd4f2767b59402443b5d0a8.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="druryj, post: 3104731, member: 10465"] Nice PPK/S. I would post this, including the pics, on the Walther Forum; in particular in the section about the PP series pistols. There are some real experts out there with a wealth of knowledge on the various incarnations of the PP, PPK and PPK/S guns. Now, I have had several of these, and I do know quite a bit about them, but my knowledge is not 100% ...so, take all I have to say for what it's worth... it's basically my learned opinion. I have a beautiful PPK/S in stainless made by Interarms (Ranger ) from 1995 that I bought new and had engraved some, it now sits in a small safe at my Daughter's house, to be given to my youngest Grandson when he is old enough. The one you show here, I am almost certain, is a model actually made by the Ranger Manufacturing Co, in Gadsden, Alabama [U]for[/U] Interarms. You are correct in that it dates from when Interarms basically went defunct following the death of the man behind it in 1998, Sam Cummings ([URL]https://unblinkingeye.com/Guns/Interarms/interarms.html[/URL]) and S&W took over production of these under license from Walther Arms in Germany. See, when the transition was taking place, there was quite a bit of inventory and parts that moved over to possession and ownership of and by S&W. What you have is actually an Interarms pistol, made by Ranger in the mid to late 90's , and acquired by S&W and then subsequently assembled by S&W people in Springfield. They are very good pistols, as Interarms (and thus Ranger, who actually machined the parts and made the guns for Interarms) did follow Herr Walther's original design. Shortly thereafter, S&W took it upon themselves to make some changes to Walther's original design, most noticeably, an extension of the beavertail, in a sad effort to remedy what is known as "Walther bite". Many is the shooter, who, hoping to emulate 007 himself, painfully discovered exactly what that is as the slide of the little PP series pistols would slice a nice little groove in the flesh between one's thumb and forefinger. It was not a design flaw of the gun itself, (so say the purists) but a fault in the way the shooter gripped the pistol. You have to hold it like you mean it and be aware as to the location of your grip or you to, will discover the Walther's bite. S&W, in my opinion and the opinion of many others, [I]ruined[/I] the classic lines of the gun by adding that horrendously ugly tang extension. Another change they made was to remove the "jump" between feed ramp and chamber, in an effort to make the gun feed modern HP ammo better. The Walther PP design dates from 1929, and was [I]never intended[/I] to feed HP ammo; it wasn't even around then. This particular pistol should only be fed 95 gr round nose ball ammo. Most will function very well with Fiocchi 95 gr, as European ammo tends to run a bit hotter than US made ammo like Remington, or S&W. The S&W flat nose 95 gr FMJ is hit or miss in these pistols, and I would [I]never[/I] carry it as a serious self defense round. Now, I haven't carried my PPK/S in a few years as a CCW weapon, but back when I did, it ran on Fiocchi 95 gr round nose FMJ, and it was incredibly accurate and reliable. It is not my first or even second choice today, as there are far better guns and ammo available now. As a matter of fact, the originals were actually designed around .32 ACP and the .380 ACP versions came quite a bit later. But I digress...your pistol looks to be in good condition. Given it appears that you have the box and two mags, I'd value it at between $450 - $550. I would have to look at it closer to be more sure, but that's a fairly accurate ballpark number. Hope this helps. (P.S. Walther Arms in Ft Smith, AR, now makes several Walther branded guns for the company now. But Umarex, who makes airsoft and BB guns, bought out Walther in Germany several years ago, and several of their pistols [I]may say[/I] "Walther" on them, but they are still in reality, Umarex junk. Stick with real Walthers, like the PPS and the PPQ and you are okay, the others, I wouldn't disgrace my safe with the crap. In fact, the folks in Ft Smith are making (or were anyway) the PPK/S again, but using the S&W model...if you call them, you will probably be told that there is some "licensing hang-up" between them and "Germany" preventing them fro shipping the guns to dealers in the USA for now. And since they have decided to deviate from Herr Walther's design, in favor of the unbelievably ugly version of S&W, they can keep the ugly azz things for all I care. By the way, here’s mine, with a vintage (and real)Allessi Pancake holster Lou Allessi himself made: [IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180413/c41cb9a03bd4f2767b59402443b5d0a8.jpg[/IMG] [/QUOTE]
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