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Why do you carry? And when do you pull and fire?
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<blockquote data-quote="David2012" data-source="post: 1928717" data-attributes="member: 24428"><p>Meaning no disrespect... your profile shows your age at 24, so you probably aren't aware of this... but 17 yrs ago when CC first passed in Oklahoma.. we were taught in the classes that we could only use our CC weapon to defend ourselves, our immediate family members [wife / husband, kids], our parents / in-laws & employees... but we could not use it to defend adult sibblings [brothers & sisters] or unrelated adults.... as they were responsible for getting their own permits to carry.. that it was a SELF DEFENSE permit, that we were not police officers. At that time, I couldn't even loan my carry weapon to my adult brother or my father so they could defend themselves. The interpretation of the self defense laws were really screwed up.</p><p></p><p>Since then, the Castle law and Stand Your Ground law and several others have changed our abilities to defend others with our CC / OC weapon. However, in the case of the cashier being robbed... you would be opening yourself up to a major civil lawsuit that could cost you every thing you owned... if you injected yourself into the situation... as it was described. </p><p></p><p>Most stores & banks tell their clerks to fully co-operate and just give the robber the money. That is the recommendation of the police & justice / FBI studies. If you <u>deliberately</u> go from having not been noticed by the robber.... to calling attention to yourself and confronting the guy with your weapon... and someone gets injured or killed.. you were not using your weapon for <u>self defense</u>.. you were taking on the role of a COP to try & defend someone else! A role for which a DA or civil lawyer would argue that you were not properly trained for... because cops are taught to tell cashiers & tellers to just give the robber the money, not to resist. Now if the clerk wants to ignore that advice, that is upon him / her... but it is not for you to decide for them.. as it was his / her life at stake... not yours. </p><p></p><p>On-the-other-hand, if the robber discovers you on his own, then you are at danger and have every right to take action to defend yourself.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="David2012, post: 1928717, member: 24428"] Meaning no disrespect... your profile shows your age at 24, so you probably aren't aware of this... but 17 yrs ago when CC first passed in Oklahoma.. we were taught in the classes that we could only use our CC weapon to defend ourselves, our immediate family members [wife / husband, kids], our parents / in-laws & employees... but we could not use it to defend adult sibblings [brothers & sisters] or unrelated adults.... as they were responsible for getting their own permits to carry.. that it was a SELF DEFENSE permit, that we were not police officers. At that time, I couldn't even loan my carry weapon to my adult brother or my father so they could defend themselves. The interpretation of the self defense laws were really screwed up. Since then, the Castle law and Stand Your Ground law and several others have changed our abilities to defend others with our CC / OC weapon. However, in the case of the cashier being robbed... you would be opening yourself up to a major civil lawsuit that could cost you every thing you owned... if you injected yourself into the situation... as it was described. Most stores & banks tell their clerks to fully co-operate and just give the robber the money. That is the recommendation of the police & justice / FBI studies. If you [U]deliberately[/U] go from having not been noticed by the robber.... to calling attention to yourself and confronting the guy with your weapon... and someone gets injured or killed.. you were not using your weapon for [U]self defense[/U].. you were taking on the role of a COP to try & defend someone else! A role for which a DA or civil lawyer would argue that you were not properly trained for... because cops are taught to tell cashiers & tellers to just give the robber the money, not to resist. Now if the clerk wants to ignore that advice, that is upon him / her... but it is not for you to decide for them.. as it was his / her life at stake... not yours. On-the-other-hand, if the robber discovers you on his own, then you are at danger and have every right to take action to defend yourself. [/QUOTE]
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