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<blockquote data-quote="WhiteyMacD" data-source="post: 1350947" data-attributes="member: 7633"><p>Well if you dont feel like searching, I will give my best, unbiased breakdown.</p><p></p><p>First off, I am excluding Beretta. </p><p></p><p>Reliability: This all depends on which 1911 we are talking about. I have seen far too many lower end 1911s FTF. However, if you include higher end 1911s, then you have to look at life cycle. Im not going to use word of mouth, but FBI reports 50,000 fires from same pistol without repair/replaced parts from a single .40s&w glock. Take 50000 shots fired divided by the cost of ~$500. That comes to 100 shots per dollar. For a higher end 1911 to be as reliable, and in regards to cost, it would need approximately 200000 shots fired without repair/replacement in shots (given an estimated cost of $2000 for a higher end 1911). Now, I have read where its expected that a quality 1911 can shoot upwards of 150k, but require replacing some parts (likewise, I have read reports of 300k glocks). Both 150k and 300k are unsubstantiated, and therefore I dismiss both claims. I will leave you with the fact that if the FBI reports are correct, a 1911 would need to fire 100 * Cost of the Gun without repair/replacement of parts to be considered "as reliable".</p><p></p><p>Asthetics: As I have said before, I have never seen a carpenter buy a hammer cause it was pretty.</p><p></p><p>Accuracy: I'll give a nod to the high end 1911, however, considering a base investment of $500, competitive reliability can be bought into a Glock for competitive prices to a high end 1911.</p><p></p><p>Weight: I give the nod to the Glock. No questions. The proof is in the specs.</p><p></p><p>Ease of Maintenance: Ask an armourer and I think you will find that requiring a simple dowel for takedown is a very valuable trait. From experience, I can field strip my glock in under 30 seconds,.. not so much so with my beloved 1911s.</p><p></p><p>Touch/Feel: Completely subjective. Thats going to be in the hands of the user.</p><p></p><p>Price: as related to reliability, I will take a $500 glock over a $500 1911 any day of the week.</p><p></p><p>Now I am sure GMT will be in shortly to post his GKb gif.. So to pre-empt</p><p></p><p><strong>[Broken External Image]</strong></p><p></p><p><strong>[Broken External Image]</strong></p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]81327[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p></p><p>Kabooms are not exclusive to glocks. What makes them bad for glocks (and the Hks or any other polymer gun) is the fact its a polymer gun and the result of a kB can be far more devastating. That said, I still say its an overpressure issue with the ammo or FO in the barrel and not a fault of the firearm.</p><p></p><p>Now, I have to go hug my 1911s so they know I still love them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="WhiteyMacD, post: 1350947, member: 7633"] Well if you dont feel like searching, I will give my best, unbiased breakdown. First off, I am excluding Beretta. Reliability: This all depends on which 1911 we are talking about. I have seen far too many lower end 1911s FTF. However, if you include higher end 1911s, then you have to look at life cycle. Im not going to use word of mouth, but FBI reports 50,000 fires from same pistol without repair/replaced parts from a single .40s&w glock. Take 50000 shots fired divided by the cost of ~$500. That comes to 100 shots per dollar. For a higher end 1911 to be as reliable, and in regards to cost, it would need approximately 200000 shots fired without repair/replacement in shots (given an estimated cost of $2000 for a higher end 1911). Now, I have read where its expected that a quality 1911 can shoot upwards of 150k, but require replacing some parts (likewise, I have read reports of 300k glocks). Both 150k and 300k are unsubstantiated, and therefore I dismiss both claims. I will leave you with the fact that if the FBI reports are correct, a 1911 would need to fire 100 * Cost of the Gun without repair/replacement of parts to be considered "as reliable". Asthetics: As I have said before, I have never seen a carpenter buy a hammer cause it was pretty. Accuracy: I'll give a nod to the high end 1911, however, considering a base investment of $500, competitive reliability can be bought into a Glock for competitive prices to a high end 1911. Weight: I give the nod to the Glock. No questions. The proof is in the specs. Ease of Maintenance: Ask an armourer and I think you will find that requiring a simple dowel for takedown is a very valuable trait. From experience, I can field strip my glock in under 30 seconds,.. not so much so with my beloved 1911s. Touch/Feel: Completely subjective. Thats going to be in the hands of the user. Price: as related to reliability, I will take a $500 glock over a $500 1911 any day of the week. Now I am sure GMT will be in shortly to post his GKb gif.. So to pre-empt [b][Broken External Image][/b] [b][Broken External Image][/b] [attach=full]81327[/attach] Kabooms are not exclusive to glocks. What makes them bad for glocks (and the Hks or any other polymer gun) is the fact its a polymer gun and the result of a kB can be far more devastating. That said, I still say its an overpressure issue with the ammo or FO in the barrel and not a fault of the firearm. Now, I have to go hug my 1911s so they know I still love them. [/QUOTE]
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