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<blockquote data-quote="tRidiot" data-source="post: 3240653" data-attributes="member: 9374"><p>To use your argument, I think that is a vast oversimplification. You really want to tell me I don't evaluate risk all that carefully? Honestly, that is EXACTLY what I do, every single day. In fact, I've spent many thousands of hours evaluating risk not based on internet searches or anecdotes, but actual physical data and experience from DOING this every day. Administering medications, vaccines, treatments, etc. I don't just read about it - I DO it. AND I have real-world experience with the consequences - both personal AND professional. I am held to account for my decisions, on a daily basis. My livelihood, my family's livelihood, my own prosperity, the very LIVES of my patients - all depend on my ability to evaluate risks and consequences, and give people direct information and help them make choices that can and do literally make the difference between life and death for them.</p><p></p><p>I do it. Every day.</p><p></p><p>So... cone on, you <strong>really </strong>don't think I spend a significant amount of time evaluating risk? I mean... that's what you said. "If that works for you, that's fine, but I evaluate risk a little more carefully." What do you think we do, just let some drug rep come in and snowball us? Like we look at their printed up materials and just accept it all, hook, line and sinker, as gospel fact, and we don't question their data, motives, etc? In fact, we have a lot of training AND experience in reading between the lines in their studies, their data, etc., and figuring out what they're NOT saying, and in evaluating the differences in what one manufacturer claims vs. a different thing another manufacturer claims.</p><p></p><p>Risk mitigation - that's my job, essentially, in a nutshell. I'm just saying, stop and think about it - a lot of people think we're a bunch of puppets or parrots - but I can promise you, me and my partners talk about this stuff ALL the time, and we read through the BS. We tolerate the reps who come in, we nod and smile at their sales pitches, and we tell them we'll consider their meds as a treatment - because we need the samples of some to give to our patients. But don't think for a second that most of us are fooled by the propaganda. We're more than capable of wading through the BS.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not everyone CAN be vaccinated, and when someone has something else going on, their previous immunity can wane - cancer and chemo, another illness, and sometimes just out of the blue. I had to get a booster for varicella. Even though I had it as a child. But yes, you can risk your own child's life - but don't fool yourself for a second thinking there isn't another risk to society as a whole or to other individuals who don't have the immune system to fight things off.</p><p></p><p><edit> And just in case someone wants to think I'm some kind of Gestapo-promoter, I am NOT advocating forced vaccination. I let people walk out of my office every day who have refused various vaccines, and I don't browbeat them for it. I give them information, and let them make their own decisions.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tRidiot, post: 3240653, member: 9374"] To use your argument, I think that is a vast oversimplification. You really want to tell me I don't evaluate risk all that carefully? Honestly, that is EXACTLY what I do, every single day. In fact, I've spent many thousands of hours evaluating risk not based on internet searches or anecdotes, but actual physical data and experience from DOING this every day. Administering medications, vaccines, treatments, etc. I don't just read about it - I DO it. AND I have real-world experience with the consequences - both personal AND professional. I am held to account for my decisions, on a daily basis. My livelihood, my family's livelihood, my own prosperity, the very LIVES of my patients - all depend on my ability to evaluate risks and consequences, and give people direct information and help them make choices that can and do literally make the difference between life and death for them. I do it. Every day. So... cone on, you [B]really [/B]don't think I spend a significant amount of time evaluating risk? I mean... that's what you said. "If that works for you, that's fine, but I evaluate risk a little more carefully." What do you think we do, just let some drug rep come in and snowball us? Like we look at their printed up materials and just accept it all, hook, line and sinker, as gospel fact, and we don't question their data, motives, etc? In fact, we have a lot of training AND experience in reading between the lines in their studies, their data, etc., and figuring out what they're NOT saying, and in evaluating the differences in what one manufacturer claims vs. a different thing another manufacturer claims. Risk mitigation - that's my job, essentially, in a nutshell. I'm just saying, stop and think about it - a lot of people think we're a bunch of puppets or parrots - but I can promise you, me and my partners talk about this stuff ALL the time, and we read through the BS. We tolerate the reps who come in, we nod and smile at their sales pitches, and we tell them we'll consider their meds as a treatment - because we need the samples of some to give to our patients. But don't think for a second that most of us are fooled by the propaganda. We're more than capable of wading through the BS. Not everyone CAN be vaccinated, and when someone has something else going on, their previous immunity can wane - cancer and chemo, another illness, and sometimes just out of the blue. I had to get a booster for varicella. Even though I had it as a child. But yes, you can risk your own child's life - but don't fool yourself for a second thinking there isn't another risk to society as a whole or to other individuals who don't have the immune system to fight things off. <edit> And just in case someone wants to think I'm some kind of Gestapo-promoter, I am NOT advocating forced vaccination. I let people walk out of my office every day who have refused various vaccines, and I don't browbeat them for it. I give them information, and let them make their own decisions. [/QUOTE]
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