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<blockquote data-quote="swampratt" data-source="post: 4218118" data-attributes="member: 15054"><p>I do not think you can get to subsonic with H4895.</p><p>You can get a very reduced load though.</p><p>I have a load that is very sub sonic using Red Dot powder.</p><p>664 fps with 100gr cast powder coated lead 18" barrel.</p><p></p><p>That round is stupid fun Zero report through a "can".</p><p>Go long ways through a possum.</p><p>Punch right through a 2x6.</p><p>I made this load to see how low i could go reliably and make a great bug out load because you DO NOT need to ever resize the brass case.</p><p></p><p>Yea that is correct the neck stays the same diameter.</p><p>Lee .3cc scoop of Red Dot powder.</p><p></p><p>Now something a little more powerful can be made with the same powder.</p><p>I use 11.5 gr in my 22" 30-06 with a Lee 170gr cast gas checked bullet for 1476 fps.</p><p></p><p>No fillers are used and accuracy is great.</p><p>CCI200 primers but it probably does not really matter.</p><p></p><p>Some people want a bulky powder so they do not double charge the case.</p><p>I never understood that.</p><p>If you are paying attention to what you are doing and you are not high or drunk you should not have a case that is double charged.</p><p></p><p>A couple other powders that I have used for Sub Sonic is Bullseye and Blue Dot.</p><p>There is a lot of Blue Dot info out there for .223.</p><p></p><p>I used some just the other day in .223 with 50gr v-max in a bolt rifle 4 gr of it.</p><p>Pretty quiet but not sub sonic.. just a tick above.</p><p>3gr Red dot in .223 with 50 V-max was sub sonic.</p><p></p><p>All bolt action rifles.</p><p></p><p>From Hodgdon as you may already know this.</p><p> </p><p>Take the maximum H4895 charge listed and multiply by 60% (.6). The load may</p><p>be adjusted up from there to achieve the desired velocity and accuracy.</p><p>This works only where H4895 is listed. DO NOT use in a cartridge where H4895</p><p>is not shown.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="swampratt, post: 4218118, member: 15054"] I do not think you can get to subsonic with H4895. You can get a very reduced load though. I have a load that is very sub sonic using Red Dot powder. 664 fps with 100gr cast powder coated lead 18" barrel. That round is stupid fun Zero report through a "can". Go long ways through a possum. Punch right through a 2x6. I made this load to see how low i could go reliably and make a great bug out load because you DO NOT need to ever resize the brass case. Yea that is correct the neck stays the same diameter. Lee .3cc scoop of Red Dot powder. Now something a little more powerful can be made with the same powder. I use 11.5 gr in my 22" 30-06 with a Lee 170gr cast gas checked bullet for 1476 fps. No fillers are used and accuracy is great. CCI200 primers but it probably does not really matter. Some people want a bulky powder so they do not double charge the case. I never understood that. If you are paying attention to what you are doing and you are not high or drunk you should not have a case that is double charged. A couple other powders that I have used for Sub Sonic is Bullseye and Blue Dot. There is a lot of Blue Dot info out there for .223. I used some just the other day in .223 with 50gr v-max in a bolt rifle 4 gr of it. Pretty quiet but not sub sonic.. just a tick above. 3gr Red dot in .223 with 50 V-max was sub sonic. All bolt action rifles. From Hodgdon as you may already know this. Take the maximum H4895 charge listed and multiply by 60% (.6). The load may be adjusted up from there to achieve the desired velocity and accuracy. This works only where H4895 is listed. DO NOT use in a cartridge where H4895 is not shown. [/QUOTE]
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