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<blockquote data-quote="diggler1833" data-source="post: 3869848" data-attributes="member: 48072"><p>Owning quite a few of each, I'll share my worthless opinion:</p><p></p><p>"My $400, made in the Philippines 1911 clone is just as reliable..."</p><p></p><p>^ Yes, but that is because you live in the 'burbs and get mani/pedis with your daughter. I'll wait until you live in an austere environment for a year, and due to commitments you end up neglecting your pistol for a bit. All guns need preventative maintenance (I've seen Iraqis neglect a bunch if AKs to the point they wouldn't fire), but some guns need more. The 1911 needs more.</p><p></p><p>As I recall, the JSSAP testing showed the Mean Rounds Between Stoppage of the control 1911 at ~ 162, while the Beretta was ~1,750 and the SIG was over 2,800. * Although, the mud test may have actually been won by the 1911 too. </p><p></p><p>Tupperware pistols do nothing for me, whereas a nice 1911 is a pleasure to hold and shoot. However, I think we've come to the point where you can spend $500 on a craptastic plastic wonder, and get all of the reliability (bad conditions) that you'd expect from a $1,500+ 1911...and probably more. How long did that M45A1 make it before the Marines sought to replace it again?</p><p></p><p>Is the 1911 still relevant? Well, if you don't mind the reduced capacity, extra weight, and additional cost to train...yes, it absolutely is still relevant, and I wouldn't consider a guy carrying a 1911 unarmed in the least bit. But those are three big hurdles.</p><p></p><p>Does the 1911 have advantages? Better trigger, and naturally pointable for sure. I'd bet that more people can shoot a 1911 better than a Tupperware pistol.</p><p></p><p>I'll keep and love my 1911 collection for what they are to me: Nice examples that are fun to hold and shoot. However a S&W M&P is what's on my hip, in my truck, and in my nightstand daily.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="diggler1833, post: 3869848, member: 48072"] Owning quite a few of each, I'll share my worthless opinion: "My $400, made in the Philippines 1911 clone is just as reliable..." ^ Yes, but that is because you live in the 'burbs and get mani/pedis with your daughter. I'll wait until you live in an austere environment for a year, and due to commitments you end up neglecting your pistol for a bit. All guns need preventative maintenance (I've seen Iraqis neglect a bunch if AKs to the point they wouldn't fire), but some guns need more. The 1911 needs more. As I recall, the JSSAP testing showed the Mean Rounds Between Stoppage of the control 1911 at ~ 162, while the Beretta was ~1,750 and the SIG was over 2,800. * Although, the mud test may have actually been won by the 1911 too. Tupperware pistols do nothing for me, whereas a nice 1911 is a pleasure to hold and shoot. However, I think we've come to the point where you can spend $500 on a craptastic plastic wonder, and get all of the reliability (bad conditions) that you'd expect from a $1,500+ 1911...and probably more. How long did that M45A1 make it before the Marines sought to replace it again? Is the 1911 still relevant? Well, if you don't mind the reduced capacity, extra weight, and additional cost to train...yes, it absolutely is still relevant, and I wouldn't consider a guy carrying a 1911 unarmed in the least bit. But those are three big hurdles. Does the 1911 have advantages? Better trigger, and naturally pointable for sure. I'd bet that more people can shoot a 1911 better than a Tupperware pistol. I'll keep and love my 1911 collection for what they are to me: Nice examples that are fun to hold and shoot. However a S&W M&P is what's on my hip, in my truck, and in my nightstand daily. [/QUOTE]
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