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<blockquote data-quote="Shadowrider" data-source="post: 2239813" data-attributes="member: 3099"><p>A few things.</p><p></p><p>I know exactly why I'm on the side I'm on. It's implied heavily with the video that I post at post #19 of this thread. I'm looking at a bigger picture than you I think. More on that in a minute.</p><p></p><p>I know from the training that I've had and talking to those that I have who have used lethal force themselves, with the attorney that taught my SDA class, and with several other SDA instructors that I know, that at least to me, GZ did exactly what we are all supposed to in this situation. He used the gun as a last resort. It's been documented that he was on the ground being pounded for almost a minute by a younger male before he went to gun. That's a long time bro. He also only shot once. I can't really say for sure, but if it were me, a double tap would probably happen just out of habit from shooting in competition.</p><p></p><p>Like said it's not proven by any stretch that he was pursuing. That IS however what the media has spewed forth. But so what if he was? It's not a violation of any law. And to turn it around, what if TM was actually trolling for an open window to slide through? Suppose he found one and raped a woman? Would your opinion GZ's "pursuit" be different? I think so. What was GZ's intent in this "pursuit"? After all he was on the phone with the police at the time. Could it just be that he wanted to maintain eye contact to tell police his location and was following from a distance?</p><p></p><p>You seem to be pretty judgmental of GZ with his past. Does the fact that he did multiple interviews without counsel mean anything? He went way above and beyond what's reasonable in working with the police. This flies right in the face of what ANY attorney would have one do and frankly the police don't expect anywhere near this kind of cooperation either. GZ's story just seems way too solid to have been made up in the aftermath of a shooting. Also there's just way too much detail in his story that lines up with his injuries and other evidence.</p><p></p><p>I don't buy the wannabe cop thing. If that were the case why didn't he just draw his gun immediately and hold TM at gunpoint for the police if he were such a mall ninja?</p><p></p><p>Sure there are a few inconsistencies with GZ's story. But there are also many things that if thought through logically that are completely kosher. What I really have issue with is the complete abandonment of innocence until proven guilty. GZ may have indeed murdered TM in cold blood. You are right, we will never know because the one who can say won't. Unless he's acquitted, then I think he'll be all over TV telling the whole tale, but most won't believe him then. But the state has utterly failed to prove murder, manslaughter or any doubt to self defense. The only thing they have proved is that someone died. The lead detective tried to get to the bottom of what happened and probably really did ultimately because he became personally convinced that GZ was being truthful with them. It's kind of odd that he's been demoted to traffic. Weirder still is that the police chief was fired because he upheld his oath and wouldn't just arrest GZ to have it "not stick". The state attorney was also fired for not bringing charges. A special prosecutor didn't even bother with a grand jury. See a pattern here? This has been two things: first and foremost an attack on CCW and SYG, and second a racially charged witch hunt of a trial to further divide us. And that's my real problem. The utter bastardization of our system of justice and it's use to further a political agenda...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Shadowrider, post: 2239813, member: 3099"] A few things. I know exactly why I'm on the side I'm on. It's implied heavily with the video that I post at post #19 of this thread. I'm looking at a bigger picture than you I think. More on that in a minute. I know from the training that I've had and talking to those that I have who have used lethal force themselves, with the attorney that taught my SDA class, and with several other SDA instructors that I know, that at least to me, GZ did exactly what we are all supposed to in this situation. He used the gun as a last resort. It's been documented that he was on the ground being pounded for almost a minute by a younger male before he went to gun. That's a long time bro. He also only shot once. I can't really say for sure, but if it were me, a double tap would probably happen just out of habit from shooting in competition. Like said it's not proven by any stretch that he was pursuing. That IS however what the media has spewed forth. But so what if he was? It's not a violation of any law. And to turn it around, what if TM was actually trolling for an open window to slide through? Suppose he found one and raped a woman? Would your opinion GZ's "pursuit" be different? I think so. What was GZ's intent in this "pursuit"? After all he was on the phone with the police at the time. Could it just be that he wanted to maintain eye contact to tell police his location and was following from a distance? You seem to be pretty judgmental of GZ with his past. Does the fact that he did multiple interviews without counsel mean anything? He went way above and beyond what's reasonable in working with the police. This flies right in the face of what ANY attorney would have one do and frankly the police don't expect anywhere near this kind of cooperation either. GZ's story just seems way too solid to have been made up in the aftermath of a shooting. Also there's just way too much detail in his story that lines up with his injuries and other evidence. I don't buy the wannabe cop thing. If that were the case why didn't he just draw his gun immediately and hold TM at gunpoint for the police if he were such a mall ninja? Sure there are a few inconsistencies with GZ's story. But there are also many things that if thought through logically that are completely kosher. What I really have issue with is the complete abandonment of innocence until proven guilty. GZ may have indeed murdered TM in cold blood. You are right, we will never know because the one who can say won't. Unless he's acquitted, then I think he'll be all over TV telling the whole tale, but most won't believe him then. But the state has utterly failed to prove murder, manslaughter or any doubt to self defense. The only thing they have proved is that someone died. The lead detective tried to get to the bottom of what happened and probably really did ultimately because he became personally convinced that GZ was being truthful with them. It's kind of odd that he's been demoted to traffic. Weirder still is that the police chief was fired because he upheld his oath and wouldn't just arrest GZ to have it "not stick". The state attorney was also fired for not bringing charges. A special prosecutor didn't even bother with a grand jury. See a pattern here? This has been two things: first and foremost an attack on CCW and SYG, and second a racially charged witch hunt of a trial to further divide us. And that's my real problem. The utter bastardization of our system of justice and it's use to further a political agenda... [/QUOTE]
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