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<blockquote data-quote="ez bake" data-source="post: 2239920" data-attributes="member: 229"><p>Yeah, I know - those same laws also protect Martin as he "Stood his ground" against a 28 year old armed Hispanic Male who was following (chasing) him at night in Martin's own neighborhood as he was going to his home.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure it's a myth - that's what Zimmerman said and his testimony is in fact, evidence (remember earlier where I said that Martin's testimony isn't available?). Also, nothing in the transcript sounds like he stopped moving about, so his testimony that he stopped following doesn't really jive with the 911 call. Just saying "ok" on a 911 tape isn't evidence that he stopped following Martin.</p><p></p><p>Here's the transcript:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html" target="_blank">http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html</a></p><p></p><p></p><p>Zimmerman's testimony is being treated as if it is fact where as all sorts of speculation is going on about why Martin was out late at night (despite the fact that Zimmerman was also out... late... at night...). Remember Ersland's testimony and how accurate it was? I don't trust people who have already made questionable decisions (like, uh, following a suspected criminal who you suspect to be on drugs and who keeps putting his hands in his waist-band presumably indicating he has a weapon).</p><p></p><p>The 911 tape doesn't validate everything Zimmerman is saying (if you listen to the tapes) IMO. And the fact that Martin "Doubled back" sounds like BS. The 911 tape and testimony of the neighbor makes it evident that Martin got the drop on him, but there's no evidence that he doubled back to attack Zimmerman. He could very easily (based on evidence of the tape) just hidden while in fear of his life from the 28 year old armed Hispanic male who was following him late at night (the location of the supposed attack doesn't make sense that Zimmerman stopped following Martin) and jumped out on the offensive "Standing his ground" in defense of his life.</p><p></p><p>I'm not saying Martin was an angel, but like I said, Zimmerman shouldn't have gotten out of the car, he shouldn't have taken a single step to pursue someone he thought was a criminal - that's not just following someone (he had already made the statement that he thought the kid was up to no good or on drugs, and that he came towards him with his hand in this waist-band - he said that specifically to indicate that he thought the guy might be reaching for something - like a weapon). WTF would you pursue someone after you thought they were on drugs and had a weapon? Zimmerman wasn't a cop, as a matter of fact, he was a proven violent criminal with several closed arrests due to his father being a retired judge ("resisting officer with violence" and "battery of law enforcement officer.") and his ex-fiance who had a restraining order taken out on him.</p><p></p><p>Why is he presumed innocent in all of his actions, but Trayvon Martin's suspension from school, Marijuana use, and history of fighting at school makes him guilty until proven innocent in everyone's eyes here?</p><p></p><p>Reckless homicide is the killing of another person by a reckless act. That is exactly what Zimmerman did by a series of stupid moves and he wouldn't have gotten into this situation had he not had a gun on him. His past suggests that his character is one of violence, issues with authority, and not knowing when to back off (especially when facing someone more powerful than he is).</p><p></p><p>Zimmerman will walk though - but don't confuse the fact that the Prosecution is completely incompetent with Zimmerman's innocence. The media, and possibly the government have unfairly been against Zimmerman and that has only strengthened his case in the media's eyes, but the mis-handling of this case by everyone from the media to the government, to the judge and prosecutor just baffles me - it is truly a circus at this point and nobody wins.</p><p></p><p>I said the same thing with the OKC Pharmacy case, but in situations like this - nobody wins. If Zimmerman walks, it means he committed a series of actions so stupid that he'll bring heat down on all gun owners with new laws and legal precedents (and to be honest, an injustice will have been done). If he gets prison-time, it sets a bad precedence for gun-owners everywhere who don't go looking for trouble.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ez bake, post: 2239920, member: 229"] Yeah, I know - those same laws also protect Martin as he "Stood his ground" against a 28 year old armed Hispanic Male who was following (chasing) him at night in Martin's own neighborhood as he was going to his home. Sure it's a myth - that's what Zimmerman said and his testimony is in fact, evidence (remember earlier where I said that Martin's testimony isn't available?). Also, nothing in the transcript sounds like he stopped moving about, so his testimony that he stopped following doesn't really jive with the 911 call. Just saying "ok" on a 911 tape isn't evidence that he stopped following Martin. Here's the transcript: [url]http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html[/url] Zimmerman's testimony is being treated as if it is fact where as all sorts of speculation is going on about why Martin was out late at night (despite the fact that Zimmerman was also out... late... at night...). Remember Ersland's testimony and how accurate it was? I don't trust people who have already made questionable decisions (like, uh, following a suspected criminal who you suspect to be on drugs and who keeps putting his hands in his waist-band presumably indicating he has a weapon). The 911 tape doesn't validate everything Zimmerman is saying (if you listen to the tapes) IMO. And the fact that Martin "Doubled back" sounds like BS. The 911 tape and testimony of the neighbor makes it evident that Martin got the drop on him, but there's no evidence that he doubled back to attack Zimmerman. He could very easily (based on evidence of the tape) just hidden while in fear of his life from the 28 year old armed Hispanic male who was following him late at night (the location of the supposed attack doesn't make sense that Zimmerman stopped following Martin) and jumped out on the offensive "Standing his ground" in defense of his life. I'm not saying Martin was an angel, but like I said, Zimmerman shouldn't have gotten out of the car, he shouldn't have taken a single step to pursue someone he thought was a criminal - that's not just following someone (he had already made the statement that he thought the kid was up to no good or on drugs, and that he came towards him with his hand in this waist-band - he said that specifically to indicate that he thought the guy might be reaching for something - like a weapon). WTF would you pursue someone after you thought they were on drugs and had a weapon? Zimmerman wasn't a cop, as a matter of fact, he was a proven violent criminal with several closed arrests due to his father being a retired judge ("resisting officer with violence" and "battery of law enforcement officer.") and his ex-fiance who had a restraining order taken out on him. Why is he presumed innocent in all of his actions, but Trayvon Martin's suspension from school, Marijuana use, and history of fighting at school makes him guilty until proven innocent in everyone's eyes here? Reckless homicide is the killing of another person by a reckless act. That is exactly what Zimmerman did by a series of stupid moves and he wouldn't have gotten into this situation had he not had a gun on him. His past suggests that his character is one of violence, issues with authority, and not knowing when to back off (especially when facing someone more powerful than he is). Zimmerman will walk though - but don't confuse the fact that the Prosecution is completely incompetent with Zimmerman's innocence. The media, and possibly the government have unfairly been against Zimmerman and that has only strengthened his case in the media's eyes, but the mis-handling of this case by everyone from the media to the government, to the judge and prosecutor just baffles me - it is truly a circus at this point and nobody wins. I said the same thing with the OKC Pharmacy case, but in situations like this - nobody wins. If Zimmerman walks, it means he committed a series of actions so stupid that he'll bring heat down on all gun owners with new laws and legal precedents (and to be honest, an injustice will have been done). If he gets prison-time, it sets a bad precedence for gun-owners everywhere who don't go looking for trouble. [/QUOTE]
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