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<blockquote data-quote="ez bake" data-source="post: 2239962" data-attributes="member: 229"><p>I'm honestly torn on this one man - I don't know that I could convict him on manslaughter, but at the same time there isn't a fiber in my being that thinks with Zimmerman's past criminal history, his statements on the 911 call, and his absolutely stupid actions that he's innocent of any wrong-doings - and a result of his wrong-doings was that a 17 year old kid died. IMO the 28 year old should have known better (but most of us sort of expect 17 year olds to make stupid decisions).</p><p></p><p>Race doesn't play as a factor for me at all, but my ties to the legal-gun-owner world do seem to affect my decision-making ability so I'm probably biased in that I know any conviction for Zimmerman will result in bad precedence for future SD shootings (and I myself could be involved in a SD shooting).</p><p></p><p>I keep looking at the fact that if one minor detail of this case was changed, it makes all the difference in the world. I try and take these situations as opportunities to learn (like the OKC Pharm case, the Tulsa Riverside case, etc.) and it's conceivable that any one of us could be in a similar situation (if say, the suspect was walking across your yard, or headed toward your family's home, or near a vehicle with your loved-one in it, etc. - would any of us have stepped in when previously we wouldn't have?).</p><p></p><p>What if my son were going home at night in his own neighborhood and saw someone with a gun following him? </p><p></p><p>I ask all of these questions to try and anticipate or at least be ready for some weird situation similar to this in the future - because it seems as if the situation for self-defense is more and more not so straight forward.</p><p></p><p>At the end of the day, right now... I'd say Zimmerman is at least guilty of gross negligence (since he should at least have anticipated trouble when following a suspected drug-induced criminal who was reaching into his waist-band - and he should have known better than to follow; legally or not he was at least negligently stupid) and that negligence resulted in the loss of someone's life (even if Martin attacked Zimmerman - it could way to easily be argued that it was a provoked attack).</p><p></p><p>Like I said man, nobody wins right now.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ez bake, post: 2239962, member: 229"] I'm honestly torn on this one man - I don't know that I could convict him on manslaughter, but at the same time there isn't a fiber in my being that thinks with Zimmerman's past criminal history, his statements on the 911 call, and his absolutely stupid actions that he's innocent of any wrong-doings - and a result of his wrong-doings was that a 17 year old kid died. IMO the 28 year old should have known better (but most of us sort of expect 17 year olds to make stupid decisions). Race doesn't play as a factor for me at all, but my ties to the legal-gun-owner world do seem to affect my decision-making ability so I'm probably biased in that I know any conviction for Zimmerman will result in bad precedence for future SD shootings (and I myself could be involved in a SD shooting). I keep looking at the fact that if one minor detail of this case was changed, it makes all the difference in the world. I try and take these situations as opportunities to learn (like the OKC Pharm case, the Tulsa Riverside case, etc.) and it's conceivable that any one of us could be in a similar situation (if say, the suspect was walking across your yard, or headed toward your family's home, or near a vehicle with your loved-one in it, etc. - would any of us have stepped in when previously we wouldn't have?). What if my son were going home at night in his own neighborhood and saw someone with a gun following him? I ask all of these questions to try and anticipate or at least be ready for some weird situation similar to this in the future - because it seems as if the situation for self-defense is more and more not so straight forward. At the end of the day, right now... I'd say Zimmerman is at least guilty of gross negligence (since he should at least have anticipated trouble when following a suspected drug-induced criminal who was reaching into his waist-band - and he should have known better than to follow; legally or not he was at least negligently stupid) and that negligence resulted in the loss of someone's life (even if Martin attacked Zimmerman - it could way to easily be argued that it was a provoked attack). Like I said man, nobody wins right now. [/QUOTE]
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