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<blockquote data-quote="Glocktogo" data-source="post: 1543113" data-attributes="member: 1132"><p>I certainly wouldn't stand there for an hour and watch the guy drown! I swim like a rock, but I can certainly handle a boat and I'd certainly go find one. I'd go find a boat and someone who could drive one. I'd find a rope, encourage others to form a chain, talk to the guy to see if he could be convinced to abandon his plan. I wouldn't walk out there and try to subdue him, but I wouldn't just stand there. I'd never just stand there. I detest lookie-loos that do nothing but stand around and bemoan the horribleness as they take pictures and video. </p><p></p><p>My high horse comes from being a reserve law enforcement officer. I've taken numerous oaths in my career and I'm sworn today. I also consider myself to be someone who gives a damn.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Understood, but the 10th can make mistakes. They're human even if they consider themselves above that condition. I wonder if any of them have ever watched one of their loved ones attempting to commit suicide, while "first responders" stood by and watched? Does this not reek of condoning suicide? How can anyone, sworn or not, be held responsible for what is in the mind of another? If you fail in preventing a suicide, how is that any different than standing by and observing it while it happens? How is the outcome any different? </p><p></p><p>At what point does a community (or the state or the nation) determine that the conscience of the first responders they expect to stand by and watch as people off themselves is more important than to whom blame is assigned? At what point does this nation wake up and realize that the blame should rest with the person that attempts suicide, regardless of the ultimate outcome, but that the person may not be mentally competent to shoulder said blame. At what point does this country wake up and realize that assigning blame is NOT the most important aspect of this discussion, but the humanity of our nation is?</p><p></p><p>"Mental health" is a dirty phrase in our government lexicon. We can pay lip service to it, but I'll be damned if we can be bothered to have a comprehensive response and treatment plan for it. We put a band-aid on their psyche and boot their ass out the door as soon as the forms can be rubber stamped and filed. If we're going to pretend that it matters without really addressing the problem, why bother? Why not just take them out back and whack them with a hammer? It disgusts me how we have the gall to claim that every life is sacred when it's an unborn baby or the elderly or the terminally ill, but suicide is now a spectator sport? WTF???</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yep, that sucks. Have you written your elected officials about the problem? Have you attended any rallies? Initiated any rallies? Made any phone calls? Spoken at community events or town halls? Voted against judges that rule in arrogance and ignorance? Do you care either way? I'm sure you do, but is the "sanctity of life" worth more than a "tsk, tsk" and some lip service? Not everyone knows that it's damn near illegal for a "first responder" to respond in many circumstances, due to ignorance and callousness of certain lawmaking and legal rulings. We have to do more than bemoan the situation. Even a small act is better than a shoulder shrug and sigh.</p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p>Yeah, it takes a real hero to talk to someone, or find a boat and a rope, or do any of the aforementioned things. Whatever, I'm done here. Like I said, no reason to care about anyone anymore I guess. What a country we live in huh? <img src="/images/smilies/frown.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" data-shortname=":(" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Glocktogo, post: 1543113, member: 1132"] I certainly wouldn't stand there for an hour and watch the guy drown! I swim like a rock, but I can certainly handle a boat and I'd certainly go find one. I'd go find a boat and someone who could drive one. I'd find a rope, encourage others to form a chain, talk to the guy to see if he could be convinced to abandon his plan. I wouldn't walk out there and try to subdue him, but I wouldn't just stand there. I'd never just stand there. I detest lookie-loos that do nothing but stand around and bemoan the horribleness as they take pictures and video. My high horse comes from being a reserve law enforcement officer. I've taken numerous oaths in my career and I'm sworn today. I also consider myself to be someone who gives a damn. Understood, but the 10th can make mistakes. They're human even if they consider themselves above that condition. I wonder if any of them have ever watched one of their loved ones attempting to commit suicide, while "first responders" stood by and watched? Does this not reek of condoning suicide? How can anyone, sworn or not, be held responsible for what is in the mind of another? If you fail in preventing a suicide, how is that any different than standing by and observing it while it happens? How is the outcome any different? At what point does a community (or the state or the nation) determine that the conscience of the first responders they expect to stand by and watch as people off themselves is more important than to whom blame is assigned? At what point does this nation wake up and realize that the blame should rest with the person that attempts suicide, regardless of the ultimate outcome, but that the person may not be mentally competent to shoulder said blame. At what point does this country wake up and realize that assigning blame is NOT the most important aspect of this discussion, but the humanity of our nation is? "Mental health" is a dirty phrase in our government lexicon. We can pay lip service to it, but I'll be damned if we can be bothered to have a comprehensive response and treatment plan for it. We put a band-aid on their psyche and boot their ass out the door as soon as the forms can be rubber stamped and filed. If we're going to pretend that it matters without really addressing the problem, why bother? Why not just take them out back and whack them with a hammer? It disgusts me how we have the gall to claim that every life is sacred when it's an unborn baby or the elderly or the terminally ill, but suicide is now a spectator sport? WTF??? Yep, that sucks. Have you written your elected officials about the problem? Have you attended any rallies? Initiated any rallies? Made any phone calls? Spoken at community events or town halls? Voted against judges that rule in arrogance and ignorance? Do you care either way? I'm sure you do, but is the "sanctity of life" worth more than a "tsk, tsk" and some lip service? Not everyone knows that it's damn near illegal for a "first responder" to respond in many circumstances, due to ignorance and callousness of certain lawmaking and legal rulings. We have to do more than bemoan the situation. Even a small act is better than a shoulder shrug and sigh. Yeah, it takes a real hero to talk to someone, or find a boat and a rope, or do any of the aforementioned things. Whatever, I'm done here. Like I said, no reason to care about anyone anymore I guess. What a country we live in huh? :( [/QUOTE]
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