Corporate Profits Hit New Record In 3rd Quarter

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Just four years after the worst shock to the economy since the Great Depression, U.S. corporate profits are stronger than ever.

In the third quarter, corporate earnings were $1.75 trillion, up 18.6% from a year ago, according to last week'si gross domestic product report. That took after-tax profits to their greatest percentage of GDP in history.

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But the record profits come at the same time that workers' wages have fallen to their lowest-ever share of GDP.

"That's how it works," said Robert Brusca, economist with FAO Research in New York, who said there is a natural tension betweenprofits and the cost of labor. "If one gets bigger, the other gets smaller."

Profits accounted for 11.1% of the U.S. economy last quarter, compared with an average of 8% during the previous economic expansion. They fell as low as 4.6% of GDP during the recession.

"Corporate profits took a big hit in the recession like everything else, but they've seen a massive bounce back," said Heidi Shierholz, an economist with the Economic Policy Institute, a liberal think tank. "Wages are determined by what's going on in the labor market and we haven't seen a big bounce back there."
Related: Why wages aren't rising

A separate government reading shows that total wages have now fallen to a record low of 43.5% of GDP. Until 1975, wages almost always accounted for at least half of GDP, and had been as high as 49% as recently as early 2001.

But overall economic growth has greatly outpaced growth in hourly wages and job creation since the end of Great Recession, so workers' share of the economic pie has dropped steadily. That's despite the fact that modest hiring by employers lifted total wages to a record $6.88 trillion in the third quarter.

"It's not because bad capitalists are keeping all the money," said Brusca. He said that businesses with high labor costs have either gone under or moved offshore.
Related: Most profitable companies

Shierholz said she doesn't think it's bad that business profits have risen. But the downward pressure on wages is hurting consumers' ability to spend, and thus the need for businesses to hire more people.
"[Businesses] have a capacity to employ more people, but it makes no sense to hire more people until you have demand for your stuff," she said.


http://money.cnn.com/2012/12/03/news/economy/record-corporate-profits/


I bolded that last part because that is what's holding this economy back.
Consumers can't create enough aggregate demand to drive companies to expand and hire even though those companies are flush with cash.
 

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"[Businesses] have a capacity to employ more people, but it makes no sense to hire more people until you have demand for your stuff," she said.

So if corperations don't pay workers enough to make demand go up, so the company could hire more workers. Weird circle of life right there.
 

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And right now most are holding off hiring until they see how the government is going to handle the economy, and most are only going to be hiring part timers because of Obamacare.
 

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And right now most are holding off hiring until they see how the government is going to handle the economy, and most are only going to be hiring part timers because of Obamacare.
You're trying to personalize it because that's the only way you can understand it.

It's not related to Obama or Bush or Clinton directly.
Wages have been declining for decades.

And for decades, those falling wages were masked by consumers piling on more debt in order to consume more.
It was mostly mortgage and home equity debt but also student loan debt and credit card debt.

When home values collapsed in 2008 those consumers didn't have any equity to continue to borrow against in order to consume more.
And that's when the declining wage problem became impossible to ignore.

Corporations have plenty of money to hire people.
Corporations have plenty of money to pay for healthcare for their employees.

What corporations don't have is plenty of customers with cash( or credit ) to spend.
 

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You're trying to personalize it because that's the only way you can understand it.

It's not related to Obama or Bush or Clinton directly.
Wages have been declining for decades.

And for decades, those falling wages were masked by consumers piling on more debt in order to consume more.
It was mostly mortgage and home equity debt but also student loan debt and credit card debt.

When home values collapsed in 2008 those consumers didn't have any equity to continue to borrow against in order to consume more.
And that's when the declining wage problem became impossible to ignore.

Corporations have plenty of money to hire people.
Corporations have plenty of money to pay for healthcare for their employees.

What corporations don't have is plenty of customers with cash( or credit ) to spend.

Those people cost money well beyond their take home pay also. When you throw in the next Otaxes, the new amount is an unknown quantity. Corporations hold back on growing business that may cause future financial problems, so no jobs equals no new consumers. Market stagnates, no need to grow. Cosmic death loop that looks like a big O. Hmmmmm...

Just because they have "plenty" of money, which I doubt, doesn't mean they are obligated to spend it or pay for health care Tha Big 0 will pay for it for them.

'Sides, it's better to jine the FSA than work.
 

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Those people cost money well beyond their take home pay also. When you throw in the next Otaxes, the new amount is an unknown quantity. Corporations hold back on growing business that may cause future financial problems, so no jobs equals no new consumers. Market stagnates, no need to grow. Cosmic death loop that looks like a big O. Hmmmmm...

Just because they have "plenty" of money, which I doubt, doesn't mean they are obligated to spend it or pay for health care Tha Big 0 will pay for it for them.

'Sides, it's better to jine the FSA than work.

The first thing any company needs is customers with money they are willing to spend.
Until you understand that you are spinning your wheels.
 

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Corporations have plenty of money to hire people.
Corporations have plenty of money to pay for healthcare for their employees.

What corporations don't have is plenty of customers with cash( or credit ) to spend.

I am not sure your logic makes sense. How can corporations have plenty of money to do all this stuff you say when they don't have customers to buy their products?
 

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And for decades, those falling wages were masked by consumers piling on more debt in order to consume more.
It was mostly mortgage and home equity debt but also student loan debt and credit card debt.

When home values collapsed in 2008 those consumers didn't have any equity to continue to borrow against in order to consume more.
And that's when the declining wage problem became impossible to ignore.

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The article state profits were driven by financial companies.
"Corporate profits rose at a 3.5% annual rate, driven primarily by gains at financial companies."

I am going to try to find a breakdown of profits by sector or better yet company. If the financial companies are the companies profiting, the public must be borrowing and paying interest for these types of companies to profit.
 
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