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<blockquote data-quote="RidgeHunter" data-source="post: 2857409" data-attributes="member: 4319"><p>I'd be OK with fetal homicide laws being replaced with something more consistent.</p><p></p><p>Also, first remove state-level abortion restrictions, let more clinics open, and then I'd be OK with limititing the financial responsibilty of the sperm donor to $300 for his half of the D&C and gas money if the child support thing is a hang up. Let it be on her if she wants it and he doesn't. Only if her abortion access is easy, though. Child support just doesn't cross my mind because I've never had to worry about it personally. I've only had sex with maybe 2 women who wanted kids. And they didn't want them at the time. Or for them to be mine. 100% clear on that.</p><p></p><p>Fact of the matter is women have all the responsibility of carrying and raising a child and men have none. Hence why abortion should be their choice alone. </p><p></p><p>Almost every woman I know (27-40) was abandoned financially or completely by their "father".</p><p></p><p>A couple years ago one of my friends (female) was in a reverse of the situation you describe. Her partner had previously agreed to raise a kid with her if she got pregnant. When she did, he fled the state, changed his phone, etc. It's real easy to duck that rap if you're OK with being a slacker or blue collar. He was a 40 year old hipster carpenter so he's free and clear of it without even changing his lifestyle. That's how a man has an abortion. That kid is very much alive today - but it's dead to him.</p><p></p><p>Sex has risks. Pick your partners carefully. But women need abortion access to have equal reproductive rights to men. </p><p></p><p>We could keep on going down anecdote street (women intentionally impregnated after BC sabotage by an abuser to gain more control, anyone?) or we could just let 1973 stand and get on with it. Anecdotes can paint ****** stories on each side of the fence.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RidgeHunter, post: 2857409, member: 4319"] I'd be OK with fetal homicide laws being replaced with something more consistent. Also, first remove state-level abortion restrictions, let more clinics open, and then I'd be OK with limititing the financial responsibilty of the sperm donor to $300 for his half of the D&C and gas money if the child support thing is a hang up. Let it be on her if she wants it and he doesn't. Only if her abortion access is easy, though. Child support just doesn't cross my mind because I've never had to worry about it personally. I've only had sex with maybe 2 women who wanted kids. And they didn't want them at the time. Or for them to be mine. 100% clear on that. Fact of the matter is women have all the responsibility of carrying and raising a child and men have none. Hence why abortion should be their choice alone. Almost every woman I know (27-40) was abandoned financially or completely by their "father". A couple years ago one of my friends (female) was in a reverse of the situation you describe. Her partner had previously agreed to raise a kid with her if she got pregnant. When she did, he fled the state, changed his phone, etc. It's real easy to duck that rap if you're OK with being a slacker or blue collar. He was a 40 year old hipster carpenter so he's free and clear of it without even changing his lifestyle. That's how a man has an abortion. That kid is very much alive today - but it's dead to him. Sex has risks. Pick your partners carefully. But women need abortion access to have equal reproductive rights to men. We could keep on going down anecdote street (women intentionally impregnated after BC sabotage by an abuser to gain more control, anyone?) or we could just let 1973 stand and get on with it. Anecdotes can paint ****** stories on each side of the fence. [/QUOTE]
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