Pre-crime policing - Oregon

[leardriver]

Check it out.

Or is it really more like a pre-emptive seizure... or, worse, kidnapping? I don't know what the hell to call it. Where's the due process?

Cap'n Bill

 

[Stephen Cue]

." That of course means the final tab will be paid by Oregon's taxpayers, not the offending cops. "I want these law enforcement officials held personally responsible," Leuenberger says. "I want them criminally charged."

The tax payers should not be punished with this, as also the officers carrying out orders should not. The people who were in charge that hatched, planned, and ordered this scheme should be!

 

[leardriver]

What Stephen Cue said.

Those SWAT officers didn't go out there on their own. They were sent. In this case, the crap should run uphill.

Cap'n Bill

 

[Fyrtwuck]

Didn't they make a movie about a government agency arresting people before crimes were committed? Minority Report? Something like that?

I don't see the probable cause to even get a warrant.

The guy gets his tax return and buys a few guns to add to his collection and they go after him. If thats the case, they'll be coming after me as I leave the Wannamacher show in Tulsa in April.

 

[bob_1027]

If you think pre-crime in oregon is bad. listen to what rachel maddow has to say about obamas new policy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBdPEK5pNtE

 

[Glocktogo]

It's hard to see that happening. Joseph Bloom, a psychiatrist at Oregon Health & Science University and a specialist in civil commitment law, says the police who apprehended and detained Pyles were likely acting under the cover of Oregon law. Bloom says the police are permitted to make a determination on their own to take someone in for a mental health evaluation-there's no requirement that they first consult with a judge or mental health professional. Bloom believes this is a wise policy. "It's important to remember that this is a civil process," he says. "There's no arrest, these people aren't being taking to jail. It's not a criminal action."

Is this clown really that retarded? When people are pointing guns at you and handcuffing you and detaining you against your will without probable cause or a warrant, it's anything but civil. It's kidnapping regardless of who is doing it. These people need to be yanked up by a short leash and every one of them should be forced into remedial legal training.

I hope this guy ends up retiring on the settlement he gets in this case.

 

[jimeradams]

Is this clown really that retarded? When people are pointing guns at you and handcuffing you and detaining you against your will without probable cause or a warrant, it's anything but civil. It's kidnapping regardless of who is doing it. These people need to be yanked up by a short leash and every one of them should be forced into remedial legal training.

I hope this guy ends up retiring on the settlement he gets in this case.

+1!!!

 

[okie98]

Nip it in the bud, so to speak!

 

[Seadog]

WOW. Tha is some crazy suff!

 

[liliysdad]

While I do not see how this fits the criteria for and EOD, the statement that it is not an arrest is true.

Oklahoma is no different. I do many, many EODs, and they are not arrests, they are civil commitments. There is a certain criteria that must be met, but I alone make the decision. I do not need a doctors signature, or a psychologists blessing.

It may resemble an arrest, but its not. Its not a kidnapping either. These laws have been on the books for years, and court after court have ruled that these do not meet the criteria for an arrest, as their is no penalty possible.

Let me reiterate, I have absolutely no idea how this met the criteria for a detention, unless there is more to the story. We all know that NEVER happens though, right?