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<blockquote data-quote="1krr" data-source="post: 2585025" data-attributes="member: 750"><p>Wanting a first AK, I've been reading and obsessing for a couple weeks now. What I summarized is that the Century Arms Yugo rifles had problems in the past mostly related to the way they milled out the imported single stack receiver/bolt. Now they come with a proper double stack bolt and the modifications Century from the original Zastava build are minimal and are of better quality. They get a US made Tapco trigger, US handgrip, and a few other minor compliance tweaks. I've even read the recent owner's reviews saying their WSAR imports were getting better. Most seem to agree that the Serbian Zastava built guns are tighter and a better build quality than the Romanian WSAR but the difference is subjective and the new WSARs run just fine. Also the WSAR uses standard parts which means if you are going to mod the crap out of it, the WSAR will give you more options. Other recent posts are saying with the volume of pap rifles no one the market, the after-market is coming up for them.</p><p></p><p>So I (just last night) decided on an npap. npap is just "new" pap while opap is just "original" pap and it looks more like a classic AK. It looks a little different than the standard AK (no bayonet lug, longer stock with higher comb and slightly different shape on the hand grips being the most notable). The npap uses thinner receiver material than the opap which uses an RPK style receiver. The numbers vary but the npap receiver has a ~1mm receiver while the the opap uses a 1.6mm receiver. The opap also has a bulge pressed into the front trunion that is reported to add strength in that area. The thicker material and bulged trunion are said to be to provide better support for grenade launching duty. The additional material results in a weight difference of 1.4lbs (npap is 7.7lbs and opap is 9.1lbs). In reviewing feedback of actual shooters who own both, there is no quality/reliability difference between the npap and opap rifles. The opap typically comes with surplus furniture that looks surplus. This is typically more of a positive than a negative because it "looks" like an AK should look. The npap appears to use fresh furniture. I don't recall if the opap stock mounts like a standard AK or like an npap but the npap uses a long bolt into the back of the receiver rather than the more traditional tang. Neither have chrome lined barrels but I've read that for most who own it, they don't shoot enough corrosive ammo to matter. If they do, they clean it immediately. There is more but this is just what I remember off the top of my head so ymmv. </p><p></p><p>I ordered the npap because it was lighter and has been reviewed to be a high quality build that needs nothing to run right reliably. I don't intend to mod this one so availability of aftermarket parts isn't a big issue for me. I will say, having now gone through this exercise, I understand why people have more than one! Hope this helps.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="1krr, post: 2585025, member: 750"] Wanting a first AK, I've been reading and obsessing for a couple weeks now. What I summarized is that the Century Arms Yugo rifles had problems in the past mostly related to the way they milled out the imported single stack receiver/bolt. Now they come with a proper double stack bolt and the modifications Century from the original Zastava build are minimal and are of better quality. They get a US made Tapco trigger, US handgrip, and a few other minor compliance tweaks. I've even read the recent owner's reviews saying their WSAR imports were getting better. Most seem to agree that the Serbian Zastava built guns are tighter and a better build quality than the Romanian WSAR but the difference is subjective and the new WSARs run just fine. Also the WSAR uses standard parts which means if you are going to mod the crap out of it, the WSAR will give you more options. Other recent posts are saying with the volume of pap rifles no one the market, the after-market is coming up for them. So I (just last night) decided on an npap. npap is just "new" pap while opap is just "original" pap and it looks more like a classic AK. It looks a little different than the standard AK (no bayonet lug, longer stock with higher comb and slightly different shape on the hand grips being the most notable). The npap uses thinner receiver material than the opap which uses an RPK style receiver. The numbers vary but the npap receiver has a ~1mm receiver while the the opap uses a 1.6mm receiver. The opap also has a bulge pressed into the front trunion that is reported to add strength in that area. The thicker material and bulged trunion are said to be to provide better support for grenade launching duty. The additional material results in a weight difference of 1.4lbs (npap is 7.7lbs and opap is 9.1lbs). In reviewing feedback of actual shooters who own both, there is no quality/reliability difference between the npap and opap rifles. The opap typically comes with surplus furniture that looks surplus. This is typically more of a positive than a negative because it "looks" like an AK should look. The npap appears to use fresh furniture. I don't recall if the opap stock mounts like a standard AK or like an npap but the npap uses a long bolt into the back of the receiver rather than the more traditional tang. Neither have chrome lined barrels but I've read that for most who own it, they don't shoot enough corrosive ammo to matter. If they do, they clean it immediately. There is more but this is just what I remember off the top of my head so ymmv. I ordered the npap because it was lighter and has been reviewed to be a high quality build that needs nothing to run right reliably. I don't intend to mod this one so availability of aftermarket parts isn't a big issue for me. I will say, having now gone through this exercise, I understand why people have more than one! Hope this helps. [/QUOTE]
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