...my constitutional rights may be diminished as I can no longer carry in as many places as I once could if I respect the business owner's wishes...
Who gives a s**t about the business owners wishes. Carry concealed, or don't patronize their store. Screw em.
One's own Constitutionally-protected rights end where they infringe upon another's, especially if one considers property rights to be valid natural rights that merit Constitutional protection.
That said, there is also the natural (and Constitutionally-protected) rights to choose who to associate or enter enter agreements with. This includes the right to choose where to spend one's money. That means if someone wants me to disarm before entering their establishment, I am free to go and do business elsewhere, as well as request that others I associate with not do business with said establishment. Depending on the type of establishment, the impact could be marginal or significant. If its marginal, I don't expect them to change the rules on their property. If its significant, they likely will.
And to be clear, what I said in my previous post was not directed exclusively, and perhaps nor inclusively, toward you. My personal position on the National Rifle Association is that they are rather counterproductive in terms of fully ensuring that the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is not infringed. In fact, I believe the NRA to be facilitators of a certain level of infringement solely for the purpose of keeping themselves in business.
This has all become topsy-turvy and screwed around with the fourteenth amendment.
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If it is accepted that the fourteenth amendment applied the Bill of Rights to the states then you have accepted the Owellian concept that a set of amendments designed as a protection for the states from the federal government is now a set of amendments that can be used by the federal government as a weapon to be applied against the states.
Liberals want it both ways and will say some amendments do, and some amendments don’t and that’s hogwash. They can’t have it both ways.
I cant decide which is worse, you thinking that everyone who OC is seeking their "10 minutes of fame" or you breaking the law by admitting you took a firearm into a business that is excersing their right to say NO. Seems to me that you do more harm to those who carry than any one else.
He didn't break the law by CC'ing in a business with a sign. Perhaps you should study the OK SDA a little. Those signs have no legal significance whatsoever. You are only breaking the law if the business owner sees that you have a gun, asks you to leave and you refuse to do so. Then is is only trespassing.
This actually depends on who is interpreting the signs. I have had lawyers tell me that the signs do contain force of law and not other notice need be given. Much like a no smoking sign or a no shirt no service sign. However, given that information, the city of Moore Police Department requires the owner or manager to give a verbal request before they can charge a person with trespass. The sign at Chuck-E-Cheese specifically states the sign serves as your notice.
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