And the same old butt fugly one at that. If someone would put on a M14/M1A flash hider on it that would be a pretty darn neat little rifle.
And the same old butt fugly one at that. If someone would put on a M14/M1A flash hider on it that would be a pretty darn neat little rifle.
right, but when I see that mag system, I thing Garand, not Mini; but I hear ya.
Looks like a fluted barrel too. I love fluted barrels.
Hat tip to Col. Cooper, but I don't see much use/need for such a design...especially not for the $1K price tag.
Looks cool...buying it for the cool factor is one thing, done that plenty of times myself, but on the practical side, what does it do/provide that existing platforms don't?
Looks cool...buying it for the cool factor is one thing, done that plenty of times myself, but on the practical side, what does it do/provide that existing platforms don't?
I have seen some mosin's built into scout guns. The scout gun concept is nice, if you were limited to one though I would still go for an AR
and the Garand is a semi auto is it not?
It does look like a mini 14 crossed with one of their hawkeye stainless bolt action rifles.
This
http://www.ruger.com/products/m77HawkeyeLaminateCompact/models.html
plus
This
http://www.ruger.com/products/mini14RifleATIStock/models.html
Equals this
http://www.ruger.com/products/gunsiteScoutRifle/models.html
Was what I was trying to say
I've been trying to work up a legitimate "Scout Rifle" of my own for a while now so I'm pretty excited about this.
Don't compare it to the M77 or to the Mini 14. Instead grade it based on the list of desireable features of the "general purpose" or "utility" rifle (later christened the "Scout Rifle") That Col. Jeff Cooper and some other really smart people drew up a long time ago.
From that perspective it's pretty exciting. There are major disadvantages with every previous attempt from a major manufacturer the Steyr Scout, the Ruger frontier, and the Savage Scout. The Steyer scout runs 2500-2800$. The Ruger Frontier's lack of backup iron sights and a very short 16" barrel were its shortcomings. The Savage has both the forward scope rail and the backup iron sights as well as meeting most of the other "requirements" but its sights and scope mount are not particulary sturdy and depending who you ask it has other problems.
Ruger Gunsite scout "pros"
1. You get a set of good, rugged backup Ghost Ring iron sights.
2. A sturdy place to mount an optic forward of the receiver
3. Overall length under 39 inches
4. weight around 7 pounds
5. Adjustable for lenght of pull
"Cons"
1. EVERYTHING about its magazine. First of all the detachable magazine that extends down costs the rifle way too much of it's "handiness". Second, you can not top it off through the receiver it is single stack, so you absolutely need multiple magazines. I understand they retail for 60$ to 80$ EACH! So
me thats over 200bucks if I want to get just 3 more mags to go with it.
2. A 16 inch barrel is too short for a .308. I know that the designers felt like they had to stay under the 1meter length limit chisled in stone by Col. Cooper but I wish they would have fudged on it by about 3 inches for the sake of my ears. I do like having the flash suppressor if only to protect the muzzle. Yes Ruger's is ugly but it can easily be replaced with a better one.
Don't compare it to the M77 or to the Mini 14. Instead grade it based on the list of desireable features of the "general purpose" or "utility" rifle (later christened the "Scout Rifle") That Col. Jeff Cooper and some other really smart people drew up a long time ago.
From that perspective it's pretty exciting. There are major disadvantages with every previous attempt from a major manufacturer the Steyr Scout, the Ruger frontier, and the Savage Scout. The Steyer scout runs 2500-2800$. The Ruger Frontier's lack of backup iron sights and a very short 16" barrel were its shortcomings. The Savage has both the forward scope rail and the backup iron sights as well as meeting most of the other "requirements" but its sights and scope mount are not particulary sturdy and depending who you ask it has other problems.
Ruger Gunsite scout "pros"
1. You get a set of good, rugged backup Ghost Ring iron sights.
2. A sturdy place to mount an optic forward of the receiver
3. Overall length under 39 inches
4. weight around 7 pounds
5. Adjustable for lenght of pull
"Cons"
1. EVERYTHING about its magazine. First of all the detachable magazine that extends down costs the rifle way too much of it's "handiness". Second, you can not top it off through the receiver it is single stack, so you absolutely need multiple magazines. I understand they retail for 60$ to 80$ EACH! So
me thats over 200bucks if I want to get just 3 more mags to go with it. 2. A 16 inch barrel is too short for a .308. I know that the designers felt like they had to stay under the 1meter length limit chisled in stone by Col. Cooper but I wish they would have fudged on it by about 3 inches for the sake of my ears. I do like having the flash suppressor if only to protect the muzzle. Yes Ruger's is ugly but it can easily be replaced with a better one.
Not flaming it, I just don't get it. Those specs perfectly describe an M4 variant.
Still not tracking the usefullness of the Scout concept as it is presented in this Ruger...given today's firearms options.
Higher cap box magazine and a flash suppressor? What's the point of those? Fighting? If you are working solo or in small numbers and think there's a chance of getting into a fight, do you really want to show up with a bolt action?
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