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<blockquote data-quote="AER244" data-source="post: 4111780" data-attributes="member: 48618"><p>I agree with most of what you said. But We’ll have to agree to disagree that fossil fuels will never run out. I didn’t say they’ll run out in any specific timeframe, I stated my “opinion” that they’ll run out eventually and that it would be nice to have a vetted replacement at the ready if civilization endures that long. I also stated my opinion that I don’t think wind/solar are the answer in the near term. I also stated my “opinion” that green energy is not green and that it rides almost entirely on the back of government subsidies. If that’s drinking the koolaid then I’m guilty. If cashing the checks is drinking the koolaid, then I’m guilty. If being grateful for the opportunity to work is drinking koolaid, gimme a pitcher. </p><p></p><p>What I did say is that I’m thankful that a new market has emerged for people to apply their skill sets. Im appreciative that something helped fill the void left by declining O&G exploration. And I am also very happy that something is shaking up, or atleast gently agitating, the contract land work side of the oil and gas industry. In my opinion it’s long overdue.</p><p></p><p>Im not trying to gloss over any concern you raised, all have merit (Except as stated previously, im of the opinion fossil fuels have an indeterminable fixed limit). All of those concerns need addressing. But so did all of oil and gas’s. Useless, long lived refuse is not unique to Solar and wind and hydro (No one harps on hydro?). Difficult transportation and difficult transmission are not exclusive to “green”. The spoiling of wild places and ecosystems is not at the sole discretion of a turbine or a panel. OG has been f****** s*** up for a century. Atleast the green folks throw their junk in a pile.</p><p></p><p>OG wasn’t perfect in its infancy, it still isn’t. People just figured it out. I think the same is true of solar/wind. People will figure it out. We will test it to failure. The market will make the call. And I imagine that wind and solar are deemed useless. Same with the next alternative. But eventually, some alternative will be viable. But you can’t not look, in my opinion</p><p></p><p>ETA: The O&G industry has benefited greatly from subsidies as well.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AER244, post: 4111780, member: 48618"] I agree with most of what you said. But We’ll have to agree to disagree that fossil fuels will never run out. I didn’t say they’ll run out in any specific timeframe, I stated my “opinion” that they’ll run out eventually and that it would be nice to have a vetted replacement at the ready if civilization endures that long. I also stated my opinion that I don’t think wind/solar are the answer in the near term. I also stated my “opinion” that green energy is not green and that it rides almost entirely on the back of government subsidies. If that’s drinking the koolaid then I’m guilty. If cashing the checks is drinking the koolaid, then I’m guilty. If being grateful for the opportunity to work is drinking koolaid, gimme a pitcher. What I did say is that I’m thankful that a new market has emerged for people to apply their skill sets. Im appreciative that something helped fill the void left by declining O&G exploration. And I am also very happy that something is shaking up, or atleast gently agitating, the contract land work side of the oil and gas industry. In my opinion it’s long overdue. Im not trying to gloss over any concern you raised, all have merit (Except as stated previously, im of the opinion fossil fuels have an indeterminable fixed limit). All of those concerns need addressing. But so did all of oil and gas’s. Useless, long lived refuse is not unique to Solar and wind and hydro (No one harps on hydro?). Difficult transportation and difficult transmission are not exclusive to “green”. The spoiling of wild places and ecosystems is not at the sole discretion of a turbine or a panel. OG has been f****** s*** up for a century. Atleast the green folks throw their junk in a pile. OG wasn’t perfect in its infancy, it still isn’t. People just figured it out. I think the same is true of solar/wind. People will figure it out. We will test it to failure. The market will make the call. And I imagine that wind and solar are deemed useless. Same with the next alternative. But eventually, some alternative will be viable. But you can’t not look, in my opinion ETA: The O&G industry has benefited greatly from subsidies as well. [/QUOTE]
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