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<blockquote data-quote="KurtM" data-source="post: 860728" data-attributes="member: 6064"><p>I guess I am seriously delerious!</p><p></p><p>I am guessing that this whole thread is ment in a "survival" sort of way so....</p><p></p><p>The limitations of the 12 ga. here we go.....you have to have the right round in it at the right time. Ie you are hunting your Quail and a deer pops up...he isn't going to be interested in your #8 shot, neither will the 2 legged animal that wants all the quail you have killed. It is slower to load and it's capacity is less. Unless you have a good set of sights on the shotgun it would be hard to hit a deer much past 50 yards. If you do have a good set of sights on it, it is harder to hit flying targets. for anti personel use, unless you carry it with slugs all the time, your effective distance of engagement is seriously limited, and if you have slugs in it all the time, wouldn't you be carring a sort of rifle? Ammo for it is VERY heavy, and what with all the specialty rounds you need, Bird shot, buckshot, slugs, the load would be impressive!</p><p></p><p>To address some of the questions posted so far....Yes I can hit a deer at 300 yards with Iron sights, Yes I can hit a rabit in the head at 50 Yards with a 308 with Iron sights, Yes I can shoot a Quail, Duck, Goose with a 308. Who said anything about flying? Yes .223 can kill anything, so can a .22lr but what it can't do well is penetrate whether it be big bones, or car doors. I would hate to be charged by a bear and only have a .223. Now a 308 with 20 rounds on board? Yep! And yes I have tried that out in practice when I worked in the Brooks Range in Alaska.</p><p></p><p> If I were to bet on what killed the most of anything I would have to go with a .22 lr KurtM</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KurtM, post: 860728, member: 6064"] I guess I am seriously delerious! I am guessing that this whole thread is ment in a "survival" sort of way so.... The limitations of the 12 ga. here we go.....you have to have the right round in it at the right time. Ie you are hunting your Quail and a deer pops up...he isn't going to be interested in your #8 shot, neither will the 2 legged animal that wants all the quail you have killed. It is slower to load and it's capacity is less. Unless you have a good set of sights on the shotgun it would be hard to hit a deer much past 50 yards. If you do have a good set of sights on it, it is harder to hit flying targets. for anti personel use, unless you carry it with slugs all the time, your effective distance of engagement is seriously limited, and if you have slugs in it all the time, wouldn't you be carring a sort of rifle? Ammo for it is VERY heavy, and what with all the specialty rounds you need, Bird shot, buckshot, slugs, the load would be impressive! To address some of the questions posted so far....Yes I can hit a deer at 300 yards with Iron sights, Yes I can hit a rabit in the head at 50 Yards with a 308 with Iron sights, Yes I can shoot a Quail, Duck, Goose with a 308. Who said anything about flying? Yes .223 can kill anything, so can a .22lr but what it can't do well is penetrate whether it be big bones, or car doors. I would hate to be charged by a bear and only have a .223. Now a 308 with 20 rounds on board? Yep! And yes I have tried that out in practice when I worked in the Brooks Range in Alaska. If I were to bet on what killed the most of anything I would have to go with a .22 lr KurtM [/QUOTE]
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