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<blockquote data-quote="pbaumei" data-source="post: 2599111" data-attributes="member: 9245"><p>My experience with the m9 is extensive, in the safe - it looks sexy, clean and on the range - it runs pretty good. For collector purposes, it has nostalgia. It has a decent capacity. Not too hard to manipulate, and a good barrel legnth. </p><p></p><p>In the field, Most people that have trained with it in less than optimal situations, wet, dark, off hand lying in the sand shooting under a truck have had more than one snake bite (if you own one, you will understand), and may have scars to remind them of it eternally. However if you are embracing the suck in a wet, sandy, muddy, or otherwise unfavorable situation, most of us have had it jam. So, at the point you have had to go to the pistol, life is already sucking without adding to the suck by your secondary jamming cause it's RFD (really dirty). Muzzle snap and tot to 2nd shot seems longer than others. And double single just F's with your habit patterns. </p><p></p><p>I hate the safety, the first time you hear that dead mans click, it's the loudest sound in a gun fight, and most adrenalin evoking sound. Not to mention will cost you a lot of beers for anyone who's life it put in jeopardy, even if you are just training. I missed when the military would let us carry the sidearm of our choice gw1&2. Maybe that was just my community, and no I'm not old and crusty, still sub 40. Since then we have transitioned to the sig, better in IMHO, but I have to agree w/ HMCS and the other possibly mil/x-mil g21 fan. If I had to pick one to bet my life on, that would be it. </p><p></p><p>Been to ascrackistan, etc... And it's a S-hole. Everything is dirty, sandy, gritty, etc... Even after you clean it. </p><p></p><p>I got my first G21 gen 1 in the early 2000s. Put as many as 2500 rounds through it in a single weekend, total is somewhere in the well over 10k range, but it's still kickin. I've put brass, steel, nickel, Russian, reman, hand loads, and reloads with un-crimped edges that I found on the ground into it. Only unintentional FTF is due to primer failure (singular vocab is intentional), just one FTF on a round that I manually ejected with a dented primer. Amidst all those years of firing it, I have yet to clean it. I will one day. I've hit it with an air hose a few times, and wiped it off plenty, I have lubricated it at least 10 times with oil and/or frog lube, but one day I will get around to cleaning it. Maybe it's a mixture of curiosity and pride at this point. </p><p></p><p>Still my most accurate pistol (familiarity has got to be a factor as I am sure the barrel is getting worn). It is more accurate (in my hands) and shoots nicer that the g34&35. I know .45's can kick, but G21 is an exception. Markedly less perceived recoil than a 1911, and my 120lb princess with correspondingly small hands does just fine with the SF model (slim frame). Actually easier to shoot and handle than the 26 or 27. Maybe it's a size/mass thing. As for an example of accuracy and recoil. 4/4 rds in a 1" square from 10yds in 5ish sec. Not bragging, I'm by far not the best shooter I know, an my wife did it before I did (humility defined), but if the gun was either a recoil monster or inaccurate, I couldn't have made those shots. It's not sexy, not fancy, and has no bells or whistles, but gun go bang every time. Have yet to shoot the g41, just got back, but guessing it will be sweet. </p><p></p><p>Long winded as hell, but hope it helps. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pbaumei, post: 2599111, member: 9245"] My experience with the m9 is extensive, in the safe - it looks sexy, clean and on the range - it runs pretty good. For collector purposes, it has nostalgia. It has a decent capacity. Not too hard to manipulate, and a good barrel legnth. In the field, Most people that have trained with it in less than optimal situations, wet, dark, off hand lying in the sand shooting under a truck have had more than one snake bite (if you own one, you will understand), and may have scars to remind them of it eternally. However if you are embracing the suck in a wet, sandy, muddy, or otherwise unfavorable situation, most of us have had it jam. So, at the point you have had to go to the pistol, life is already sucking without adding to the suck by your secondary jamming cause it's RFD (really dirty). Muzzle snap and tot to 2nd shot seems longer than others. And double single just F's with your habit patterns. I hate the safety, the first time you hear that dead mans click, it's the loudest sound in a gun fight, and most adrenalin evoking sound. Not to mention will cost you a lot of beers for anyone who's life it put in jeopardy, even if you are just training. I missed when the military would let us carry the sidearm of our choice gw1&2. Maybe that was just my community, and no I'm not old and crusty, still sub 40. Since then we have transitioned to the sig, better in IMHO, but I have to agree w/ HMCS and the other possibly mil/x-mil g21 fan. If I had to pick one to bet my life on, that would be it. Been to ascrackistan, etc... And it's a S-hole. Everything is dirty, sandy, gritty, etc... Even after you clean it. I got my first G21 gen 1 in the early 2000s. Put as many as 2500 rounds through it in a single weekend, total is somewhere in the well over 10k range, but it's still kickin. I've put brass, steel, nickel, Russian, reman, hand loads, and reloads with un-crimped edges that I found on the ground into it. Only unintentional FTF is due to primer failure (singular vocab is intentional), just one FTF on a round that I manually ejected with a dented primer. Amidst all those years of firing it, I have yet to clean it. I will one day. I've hit it with an air hose a few times, and wiped it off plenty, I have lubricated it at least 10 times with oil and/or frog lube, but one day I will get around to cleaning it. Maybe it's a mixture of curiosity and pride at this point. Still my most accurate pistol (familiarity has got to be a factor as I am sure the barrel is getting worn). It is more accurate (in my hands) and shoots nicer that the g34&35. I know .45's can kick, but G21 is an exception. Markedly less perceived recoil than a 1911, and my 120lb princess with correspondingly small hands does just fine with the SF model (slim frame). Actually easier to shoot and handle than the 26 or 27. Maybe it's a size/mass thing. As for an example of accuracy and recoil. 4/4 rds in a 1" square from 10yds in 5ish sec. Not bragging, I'm by far not the best shooter I know, an my wife did it before I did (humility defined), but if the gun was either a recoil monster or inaccurate, I couldn't have made those shots. It's not sexy, not fancy, and has no bells or whistles, but gun go bang every time. Have yet to shoot the g41, just got back, but guessing it will be sweet. Long winded as hell, but hope it helps. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk [/QUOTE]
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