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<blockquote data-quote="jej" data-source="post: 866157" data-attributes="member: 5563"><p>The first problem with any long gun for HD is going around blind corners. </p><p></p><p>The second problem is that you won't have it with you always, the way you should when you have a handgun for HD. </p><p></p><p>For those reasons, a handgun is needed for HD. The ammo thing - yes, you need to practice a lot to get competent. Lots of dry fire can help with that, but you still need to shoot a bunch if you are a newbie. I'd not let ammo issues make my decision for me.</p><p></p><p>The shotgun - I use and recommend a Mossberg pump. I prefer the reliability of the pump over the ease of use of an auto. I prefer the pump's magazine to the shorter length and speed of a double. Remingtons are OK, but I prefer the controls on the Mossy.</p><p></p><p>What you should get depends on your tolerance of recoil. I use and prefer 12 gauge. Lots more SD loads are available in 12. Do not buy 3 inch magnums for this. I generally prefer slugs over buckshot. I like to have the shortest legal barrel Mossberg sells. I prefer a full buttstock to pistol grip - I never mastered the pistol, grew up with a full buttstock. I don't have anything good or bad to say about the pistol grips. If I could have any 12 gauge for this, it would be a Mossy 590 with ghost ring sites, an Uncle Mike's butt cuff holding extra rounds, a nylon sling, a bunch of low-recoil </p><p>"tactical" 2 3/4 slugs, glasses or goggles to protect my eyes, and a pair of those Peltor electronic noise reducing muffs so I can hear what is going on, but my hearing is protected in case I have to shoot inside. [Shooting a 12 in a small room will deafen you, right now, and leave you deaf for a while. Might do permanent damage, but more important, leaves you at a serious disadvantage dealing with your immediate situation.] If there were a way to put a silencer/supressor on the gun, that would be even better, but that is big bucks if it would work at all. I would also get a case of the cheapest ammo available to learn to shoot. You need not burn up expensive stuff for practice. </p><p></p><p>On a budget, I'd get a Mossy 500, with the same goodies.</p><p></p><p>20 has good loads, just harder to find.</p><p></p><p>.410 - people bad mouth it for SD, since it won't punch through windows and make big holes like a 12 does, but it has as much power as a big handgun, and is much more controllable. I would not write it off, but if you can tolerate more recoil, get a bigger gauge. </p><p></p><p>About your dogs - what is your point? Using deadly force in the home will put them at risk. The myths about how much a load of buckshot spreads are just that - myths. In home defense use, you are using the gun at a range of a few feet. The dogs are no more at risk than if you use a handgun. Maybe less, if your gun control is better with the long gun. Maybe less if you use slugs.</p><p></p><p>The thing about the noise of the action scaring off bad guys - forget that nonsense. The last thing you want to do is signal your location or intent. Silence is golden.</p><p></p><p>jej</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jej, post: 866157, member: 5563"] The first problem with any long gun for HD is going around blind corners. The second problem is that you won't have it with you always, the way you should when you have a handgun for HD. For those reasons, a handgun is needed for HD. The ammo thing - yes, you need to practice a lot to get competent. Lots of dry fire can help with that, but you still need to shoot a bunch if you are a newbie. I'd not let ammo issues make my decision for me. The shotgun - I use and recommend a Mossberg pump. I prefer the reliability of the pump over the ease of use of an auto. I prefer the pump's magazine to the shorter length and speed of a double. Remingtons are OK, but I prefer the controls on the Mossy. What you should get depends on your tolerance of recoil. I use and prefer 12 gauge. Lots more SD loads are available in 12. Do not buy 3 inch magnums for this. I generally prefer slugs over buckshot. I like to have the shortest legal barrel Mossberg sells. I prefer a full buttstock to pistol grip - I never mastered the pistol, grew up with a full buttstock. I don't have anything good or bad to say about the pistol grips. If I could have any 12 gauge for this, it would be a Mossy 590 with ghost ring sites, an Uncle Mike's butt cuff holding extra rounds, a nylon sling, a bunch of low-recoil "tactical" 2 3/4 slugs, glasses or goggles to protect my eyes, and a pair of those Peltor electronic noise reducing muffs so I can hear what is going on, but my hearing is protected in case I have to shoot inside. [Shooting a 12 in a small room will deafen you, right now, and leave you deaf for a while. Might do permanent damage, but more important, leaves you at a serious disadvantage dealing with your immediate situation.] If there were a way to put a silencer/supressor on the gun, that would be even better, but that is big bucks if it would work at all. I would also get a case of the cheapest ammo available to learn to shoot. You need not burn up expensive stuff for practice. On a budget, I'd get a Mossy 500, with the same goodies. 20 has good loads, just harder to find. .410 - people bad mouth it for SD, since it won't punch through windows and make big holes like a 12 does, but it has as much power as a big handgun, and is much more controllable. I would not write it off, but if you can tolerate more recoil, get a bigger gauge. About your dogs - what is your point? Using deadly force in the home will put them at risk. The myths about how much a load of buckshot spreads are just that - myths. In home defense use, you are using the gun at a range of a few feet. The dogs are no more at risk than if you use a handgun. Maybe less, if your gun control is better with the long gun. Maybe less if you use slugs. The thing about the noise of the action scaring off bad guys - forget that nonsense. The last thing you want to do is signal your location or intent. Silence is golden. jej [/QUOTE]
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