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<blockquote data-quote="druryj" data-source="post: 3023706" data-attributes="member: 10465"><p>LOL! Good one. You know, these darn PP series guns are funny; a lot of people admire them, including myself, despite what I feel is somewhat of a design flaw; the design and operation of the whole external safety thing. And those guns made by the Ranger Manufacturing Co. (seemingly more known for the boats they made) under contract by and for Interarms are now pretty well thought of in the Walther circle...more so now I think than before the advent of the S&W made Walthers starting in like 2002. One of their design flaws, IMO,as well as many other Walther folks is the whole safety lever thing: It's like ...backwards. It's the opposite of a 1911; if the gun was in "fire" when the safety was down, it would be so much better. But nooooooo; the gun is in "fire" when the lever is up, and many a Walther PP, PPK, or PPK/S has had a problem with the safety falling <u>down</u> into the "safe" position <u>while</u> firing. See, the safety drum has two detent holes machined into the drum; one for "safe" and one for "fire" . And the safety plunger engages these detents accordingly. And the spring which tensions that plunger also tensions the extractor. The problem seems to be worsened by the fact that these detent holes and the plunger itself are machined at 90 degrees, not a very sharp or deep detent really, and one that sees a bit of wear every time you go from fire to safe and vice versa. And then, you see how the safety drum actually BLOCKS the hammer from hitting the firing pin. Repeated dry fire may be another cause for wear and abuse on that safety drum. Remember now; we're talking about an old (1929) design here; one of the first successful DA/SA pistols. Anyway, it is a problem waiting to happen , IMO, with all of them. Over time, every safety drum, plunger, and detent hole will wear and the whole "drop into safe while firing" thing can happen. Whether they are RANGERs, the very early Zella-Mellis German Guns, the French made Manhurins, the later ones made in Ulm, Germany or not.</p><p></p><p>Of course, I could just be wrong about all of this and the damn thing just broke.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="druryj, post: 3023706, member: 10465"] LOL! Good one. You know, these darn PP series guns are funny; a lot of people admire them, including myself, despite what I feel is somewhat of a design flaw; the design and operation of the whole external safety thing. And those guns made by the Ranger Manufacturing Co. (seemingly more known for the boats they made) under contract by and for Interarms are now pretty well thought of in the Walther circle...more so now I think than before the advent of the S&W made Walthers starting in like 2002. One of their design flaws, IMO,as well as many other Walther folks is the whole safety lever thing: It's like ...backwards. It's the opposite of a 1911; if the gun was in "fire" when the safety was down, it would be so much better. But nooooooo; the gun is in "fire" when the lever is up, and many a Walther PP, PPK, or PPK/S has had a problem with the safety falling [U]down[/U] into the "safe" position [U]while[/U] firing. See, the safety drum has two detent holes machined into the drum; one for "safe" and one for "fire" . And the safety plunger engages these detents accordingly. And the spring which tensions that plunger also tensions the extractor. The problem seems to be worsened by the fact that these detent holes and the plunger itself are machined at 90 degrees, not a very sharp or deep detent really, and one that sees a bit of wear every time you go from fire to safe and vice versa. And then, you see how the safety drum actually BLOCKS the hammer from hitting the firing pin. Repeated dry fire may be another cause for wear and abuse on that safety drum. Remember now; we're talking about an old (1929) design here; one of the first successful DA/SA pistols. Anyway, it is a problem waiting to happen , IMO, with all of them. Over time, every safety drum, plunger, and detent hole will wear and the whole "drop into safe while firing" thing can happen. Whether they are RANGERs, the very early Zella-Mellis German Guns, the French made Manhurins, the later ones made in Ulm, Germany or not. Of course, I could just be wrong about all of this and the damn thing just broke. [/QUOTE]
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