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<blockquote data-quote="Buzzgun" data-source="post: 1313431" data-attributes="member: 4715"><p>What did the lungs look like?? Unless the hole through the lungs was caliber size, the bullet expanded. </p><p></p><p>Even if a 30 cal bullet expands to twice its original size, you are only talking .6". I have seen small exit wounds too, but the lungs were jello. I suspect the offside hide stretched as the bullet was exiting and the hole was smaller than expected due to that stretching. The biggest exit wounds I have observed resulted from hitting bone which turned into secondary projectiles and also exited. </p><p></p><p>Here is an interesting video from Barnes. The video shows a .308&#8243; 180 grain Barnes Triple-Shock X Bullet fired into a 6&#8243;x6&#8243;x16&#8243; gelatin block at 2907 fps. You can clearly see that the bullet is expanded as it exits the gelatin. </p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.barnesbullets.com/videos/308_180gr_TSX_6fps_logo.mov" target="_blank">http://www.barnesbullets.com/videos/308_180gr_TSX_6fps_logo.mov</a></p><p></p><p></p><p>Since Barnes Triple Shock bullets are all copper, which is tougher to deform than a standard cup and core bullet (copper jacket with lead core), we can expect a standard cup and core bullet to expand at least as well as the triple shock. I would also expect MORE expansion in a deer than I would in gelatin. </p><p></p><p>Notice also, the temporary wound cavity as the bullet passes through the gelatin. The cavity is larger as the bullet is passing through, but partially closes behind the bullet after the shock wave dissipates. Keep in mind, an animal's hide contains this expansion by stretching, at least until the elastic limit of the skin is reached. </p><p></p><p>As far as the lack of blood trails, I have seen wounds plugged by fat or other tissue that held the blood inside the deer until it started blowing blood out its nose and mouth. If this happens and the animal dies before going far enough to start blowing blood, there may not be much of a blood trail. </p><p></p><p>Back to the 180 core lock bullets. I shot a large bull elk with a 300 mag loaded with the same lot of 180 grain core lock bullets that my wife used on the springbok in Africa. I shot the bull at less than 50 yards through the chest, the bullet exited. I also took some of the left over 30-06 180 core lock reloads to Texas on a hog hunt. Killed a bore that weighed about 80 pounds dressed. The 180 core lock expanded and exited, from what I have observed, 180 grain partitions would have done the same. </p><p></p><p>Having said all of that, I have a small stash of the old Nosler 165 grain solid base bullets that I load when I want to hunt deer with a 300 mag. I use them because they are the most accurate bullet I have found in that rifle. I shot a bull elk with these bullets from the 300 win mag and did not get an exit wound, so I reserve them for deer.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Buzzgun, post: 1313431, member: 4715"] What did the lungs look like?? Unless the hole through the lungs was caliber size, the bullet expanded. Even if a 30 cal bullet expands to twice its original size, you are only talking .6". I have seen small exit wounds too, but the lungs were jello. I suspect the offside hide stretched as the bullet was exiting and the hole was smaller than expected due to that stretching. The biggest exit wounds I have observed resulted from hitting bone which turned into secondary projectiles and also exited. Here is an interesting video from Barnes. The video shows a .308″ 180 grain Barnes Triple-Shock X Bullet fired into a 6″x6″x16″ gelatin block at 2907 fps. You can clearly see that the bullet is expanded as it exits the gelatin. [url]http://www.barnesbullets.com/videos/308_180gr_TSX_6fps_logo.mov[/url] Since Barnes Triple Shock bullets are all copper, which is tougher to deform than a standard cup and core bullet (copper jacket with lead core), we can expect a standard cup and core bullet to expand at least as well as the triple shock. I would also expect MORE expansion in a deer than I would in gelatin. Notice also, the temporary wound cavity as the bullet passes through the gelatin. The cavity is larger as the bullet is passing through, but partially closes behind the bullet after the shock wave dissipates. Keep in mind, an animal's hide contains this expansion by stretching, at least until the elastic limit of the skin is reached. As far as the lack of blood trails, I have seen wounds plugged by fat or other tissue that held the blood inside the deer until it started blowing blood out its nose and mouth. If this happens and the animal dies before going far enough to start blowing blood, there may not be much of a blood trail. Back to the 180 core lock bullets. I shot a large bull elk with a 300 mag loaded with the same lot of 180 grain core lock bullets that my wife used on the springbok in Africa. I shot the bull at less than 50 yards through the chest, the bullet exited. I also took some of the left over 30-06 180 core lock reloads to Texas on a hog hunt. Killed a bore that weighed about 80 pounds dressed. The 180 core lock expanded and exited, from what I have observed, 180 grain partitions would have done the same. Having said all of that, I have a small stash of the old Nosler 165 grain solid base bullets that I load when I want to hunt deer with a 300 mag. I use them because they are the most accurate bullet I have found in that rifle. I shot a bull elk with these bullets from the 300 win mag and did not get an exit wound, so I reserve them for deer. [/QUOTE]
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