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<blockquote data-quote="emapples" data-source="post: 3040821" data-attributes="member: 11752"><p>I don’t disagree with you comments here, 1&2) I honestly think we have a poor correctoinal system wherein once a person becomes a felon they drastically reduce their odds of holding meaningful employment. And indirectly you are punished for your mistake long after the debt to the state / feds / society has been paid. I believe it’s why many people return to crime because they have a permanent black mark after prison a stigma.</p><p></p><p>3) limiting people’s right keep and bear arms on their person whirl they are drinking is a form of infringement.</p><p></p><p>The broader point I was making is at that point time when we agreed that any law at all could be passed that didn’t adhere to the strict adherence to “have the right to keep and bear arms” it was at that point that the battle war was lost, we will have hundreds of battles over the next century but it all falls back to the one point.</p><p></p><p>The same could be said for the 1st Amendmant, it’s under attack from the “hate speech” crowd, and also laws concerning obscenity, libel , slander, incitement ...etc . Those laws all infringe on the right to the compete unabridged freedom of speech using the princiboe of unfair harm they can cause. But it doesn’t change the fact that they do alter the strict interpretation of the first ammendmant and they are widely accepted. Freedom of religion is now infringed try refusing to bake a cake for a gay wedding and you get crushed.</p><p></p><p>Once you accept laws that adjust strict interpretation of the constitutional ammendmants, you have already opened Pandora’s box and the slippery slope will almost always win.</p><p></p><p>I think to many people want to make a simple statement and say “we simply need a return to common decency”, which is 100% accurate but short of a miracle I don’t see this ever happening. When I say common decency in my mind it’s the old fashioned yes ma’am, no sir, respect for other people and their property, etc .......what many of us likely grew up with in Oklahoma. But common decency may have different meanings to different people.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="emapples, post: 3040821, member: 11752"] I don’t disagree with you comments here, 1&2) I honestly think we have a poor correctoinal system wherein once a person becomes a felon they drastically reduce their odds of holding meaningful employment. And indirectly you are punished for your mistake long after the debt to the state / feds / society has been paid. I believe it’s why many people return to crime because they have a permanent black mark after prison a stigma. 3) limiting people’s right keep and bear arms on their person whirl they are drinking is a form of infringement. The broader point I was making is at that point time when we agreed that any law at all could be passed that didn’t adhere to the strict adherence to “have the right to keep and bear arms” it was at that point that the battle war was lost, we will have hundreds of battles over the next century but it all falls back to the one point. The same could be said for the 1st Amendmant, it’s under attack from the “hate speech” crowd, and also laws concerning obscenity, libel , slander, incitement ...etc . Those laws all infringe on the right to the compete unabridged freedom of speech using the princiboe of unfair harm they can cause. But it doesn’t change the fact that they do alter the strict interpretation of the first ammendmant and they are widely accepted. Freedom of religion is now infringed try refusing to bake a cake for a gay wedding and you get crushed. Once you accept laws that adjust strict interpretation of the constitutional ammendmants, you have already opened Pandora’s box and the slippery slope will almost always win. I think to many people want to make a simple statement and say “we simply need a return to common decency”, which is 100% accurate but short of a miracle I don’t see this ever happening. When I say common decency in my mind it’s the old fashioned yes ma’am, no sir, respect for other people and their property, etc .......what many of us likely grew up with in Oklahoma. But common decency may have different meanings to different people. [/QUOTE]
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