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DHS responds to 1.6 billion ammo buy
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<blockquote data-quote="mugsy" data-source="post: 2106515" data-attributes="member: 18914"><p>We did have this discussion before and the Indefinite Delivery, Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) contracts did confuse people, which isn't surprising since they also confuse government contracting officers.</p><p>However, the AP article I read (by Alicia Caldwell) cited DHS sources not disputing the large numbers but rather, DHS and other agencies, were explaining why those quantities are really justified. In fact, DHS specifically said they need 15 million rounds per year for training - which is entirely possible. However DHS has created a contract vehicle that allows them to buy on the order of 50 years supply of training ammo. That does seem excessive no matter how you measure it.</p><p></p><p>In fact, while there are multi-year supply contracts I thought that generally O&M could not be used for the purpose of "hoarding" for future use. The reason? Hoarding is, in effect, a way to try to get around Congressional spending limits by using money appropriated for current year operations to supplement future year operations in contravention of Congress' will. Maybe DHS has an exception, like the military, to purchase war reserve stocks or something like that? But then I'd have to ask "why?" If we are worried about an invasion it would seem that the National Guard and State militias should be armed not police and investigative agencies.</p><p>DHS security and police personnel do have legitimate needs to train and arm for day to day, or even emergency, use but the quantities being discussed seem out of proportion to any reasonable need.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mugsy, post: 2106515, member: 18914"] We did have this discussion before and the Indefinite Delivery, Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) contracts did confuse people, which isn't surprising since they also confuse government contracting officers. However, the AP article I read (by Alicia Caldwell) cited DHS sources not disputing the large numbers but rather, DHS and other agencies, were explaining why those quantities are really justified. In fact, DHS specifically said they need 15 million rounds per year for training - which is entirely possible. However DHS has created a contract vehicle that allows them to buy on the order of 50 years supply of training ammo. That does seem excessive no matter how you measure it. In fact, while there are multi-year supply contracts I thought that generally O&M could not be used for the purpose of "hoarding" for future use. The reason? Hoarding is, in effect, a way to try to get around Congressional spending limits by using money appropriated for current year operations to supplement future year operations in contravention of Congress' will. Maybe DHS has an exception, like the military, to purchase war reserve stocks or something like that? But then I'd have to ask "why?" If we are worried about an invasion it would seem that the National Guard and State militias should be armed not police and investigative agencies. DHS security and police personnel do have legitimate needs to train and arm for day to day, or even emergency, use but the quantities being discussed seem out of proportion to any reasonable need. [/QUOTE]
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