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<blockquote data-quote="sh00ter" data-source="post: 4046001" data-attributes="member: 24531"><p>My dad was a Marine and he told me war was hell...I absolutely agree that there could always be more to the story for anything we see in the media or even raw chunks of video. The russians could have even been trying to trick them. I personally don't think I could pull the tank trigger if I could see them surrendering but I didn't even watch the vid and was responding on principle.</p><p></p><p>Despite the Maidan rebellion (that we engineered and funded along with George Soros), once the new gov't was installed in Ukraine, Russia lost the moral high ground in the media and with most people by invading Ukraine. It destabilized the world, but I think our reaction has made things worse for Ukrainians. Early in the war and then again in March of last year, Ukraine was ready to try and achieve a peace deal and NATO derailed it. Throwing gas on a fire has led to the deaths of MANY more people than would have happened if we had not pumped in tax money and weapons and forced Ukraine to keep fighting a proxy war.</p><p></p><p>My liberal stepdad told me that he would rather have a nuclear war than a corrupt foreign land have to give up 1 inch of territory to the Russians including territories that were historically part of Russia and are 90% Russian/Russian speaking. I don't understand why so many conservatives share that mentality...we are the realists, we don't run on emotion. We can either bankrupt ourselves to defend the Biden family allies and/or escalate to nuclear conflict, or we can/could offer humanitarian aide and offer to host peace talks to negotiate a settlement. Too many of "our side" is being duped into ignoring the reasons that led to the invasion and how we did worse in Iraq and nobody went to prison. Peace should be the desired outcome if a settlement can be reached. Blowing up 100% of Ukraine isn't worth saving land that is already occupied by ethnic Russians that hate the Ukrainian gov't. The whole situation sucks.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sh00ter, post: 4046001, member: 24531"] My dad was a Marine and he told me war was hell...I absolutely agree that there could always be more to the story for anything we see in the media or even raw chunks of video. The russians could have even been trying to trick them. I personally don't think I could pull the tank trigger if I could see them surrendering but I didn't even watch the vid and was responding on principle. Despite the Maidan rebellion (that we engineered and funded along with George Soros), once the new gov't was installed in Ukraine, Russia lost the moral high ground in the media and with most people by invading Ukraine. It destabilized the world, but I think our reaction has made things worse for Ukrainians. Early in the war and then again in March of last year, Ukraine was ready to try and achieve a peace deal and NATO derailed it. Throwing gas on a fire has led to the deaths of MANY more people than would have happened if we had not pumped in tax money and weapons and forced Ukraine to keep fighting a proxy war. My liberal stepdad told me that he would rather have a nuclear war than a corrupt foreign land have to give up 1 inch of territory to the Russians including territories that were historically part of Russia and are 90% Russian/Russian speaking. I don't understand why so many conservatives share that mentality...we are the realists, we don't run on emotion. We can either bankrupt ourselves to defend the Biden family allies and/or escalate to nuclear conflict, or we can/could offer humanitarian aide and offer to host peace talks to negotiate a settlement. Too many of "our side" is being duped into ignoring the reasons that led to the invasion and how we did worse in Iraq and nobody went to prison. Peace should be the desired outcome if a settlement can be reached. Blowing up 100% of Ukraine isn't worth saving land that is already occupied by ethnic Russians that hate the Ukrainian gov't. The whole situation sucks. [/QUOTE]
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